Re: [Arches] Arches vs Arches HIP

[Adam Cox]

Hi Yi-Chou, the graphs that are in the v4 example package linked in 
installation docs are very close to Arches HIP. However, they may be as 
close as you will get to an official v4 HIP set of graphs, unless you or 
someone else decides to make them. I've heard that there is a new set of 
resource models in development for one of the Arches installations that is 
happening in the UK, but was specifically told that would not be an 
official successor to Arches-HIP.

In my estimation, all we really need is for someone to make a very close 
inspection of the resource models in the example package to make sure that 
they contain all of the same nodes that the Arches-HIP v3 resource graphs 
contain. Then we would know if changes need to be made.

After that inspection is made, the next step would be to compare the 
dropdown names in v3 Arches HIP with the concept collection names in the v4 
example package. These "top concepts" will be a very important link when it 
comes to migrating any data from v3 to v4.

Adam

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:55:59 PM UTC-5, lu kevin wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Thanks for your reply and I learned a lot.
> I would like to ask you that since you have the idea to upgrade the 
> Arches-HIP, do you think there will be a HIP for Arches v4 within 2 or 3 
> years ? Is it possible?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Yi-Chou
>
> Adam Cox於 2018年3月21日星期三 UTC+8上午3時22分57秒寫道：
>>
>> Hi Dale,
>>
>> Arches-HIP was originally a specific application *built on top of* 
>> Arches version 3, which included definitions for 6 standard resource types, 
>> data input forms and report templates for those resource types, as well as 
>> a set of concepts (controlled vocabulary). With that in mind, check this 
>> out as well: 
>> http://arches-hip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview/#what-is-arches-hip. 
>> In practice, arches-hip became the main entry point for developers working 
>> with version 3, as a typical workflow was to install arches and arches-hip, 
>> and then make new app from the arches-hip app template and then customize 
>> this new app.
>>
>> So Arches-HIP proper (especially the arches_hip python package) *is* 
>> only for v3. There are many projects out there still using v3, but no, that 
>> version is not officially supported at this time. I personally would love 
>> to be able to make some upgrades to v3 to 1) move to Django 1.11 2) upgrade 
>> Python and 3) (maybe) wrap arches-hip directly into the main codebase... 
>> however, I have not been able to put any meaningful work toward that 
>> effort, and don't know when I will be able to.
>>
>> However, as you may have noticed, there is an "Arches-HIP" appendix in 
>> the v4 documentation. I realize that is a little confusing, so I've just 
>> made some changes to clarify things a little. What we have in v4 is an 
>> example package (please see Next steps... 
>>  at the 
>> end of the installation docs) whose contents closely resembles the original 
>> Arches-HIP resource types from version 3. That's what is documented in the 
>> appendix, and it's intended to give users a full set of branches and 
>> resource models right away.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies things, and thanks for asking!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Dale Lloyd  wrote:
>>
>>> I am not clear on the difference between Arches and Arches HIP. Is HIP a 
>>> package that extends the functionality of Arches, or is HIP a separate 
>>> project?
>>>
>>> Looking here https://www.archesproject.org/documentation/, HIP is 
>>> listed under the previous guides section as opposed to being listed under 
>>> the current documentation, so I wonder if Arches version 4 is supposed to 
>>> combine the functionality of Arches and HIP? Or has HIP been retired?
>>>
>>> HIP is built on Arches 3 - is this still maintained? The requirements 
>>> list Python 2.7.6, stating that there are issues with later versions, but 
>>> Python 2.7.6 has known security vulnerabilities, which I find concerning. 
>>> Is it safe to use HIP? Is it possible install HIP in Arches V4?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>>>
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Re: [Arches] Arches vs Arches HIP

[lu kevin]

Hi Adam,

Thanks for your reply and I learned a lot.
I would like to ask you that since you have the idea to upgrade the 
Arches-HIP, do you think there will be a HIP for Arches v4 within 2 or 3 
years ? Is it possible?

Thank you!

Yi-Chou

Adam Cox於 2018年3月21日星期三 UTC+8上午3時22分57秒寫道：
>
> Hi Dale,
>
> Arches-HIP was originally a specific application *built on top of* Arches 
> version 3, which included definitions for 6 standard resource types, data 
> input forms and report templates for those resource types, as well as a set 
> of concepts (controlled vocabulary). With that in mind, check this out as 
> well: 
> http://arches-hip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview/#what-is-arches-hip. 
> In practice, arches-hip became the main entry point for developers working 
> with version 3, as a typical workflow was to install arches and arches-hip, 
> and then make new app from the arches-hip app template and then customize 
> this new app.
>
> So Arches-HIP proper (especially the arches_hip python package) *is* only 
> for v3. There are many projects out there still using v3, but no, that 
> version is not officially supported at this time. I personally would love 
> to be able to make some upgrades to v3 to 1) move to Django 1.11 2) upgrade 
> Python and 3) (maybe) wrap arches-hip directly into the main codebase... 
> however, I have not been able to put any meaningful work toward that 
> effort, and don't know when I will be able to.
>
> However, as you may have noticed, there is an "Arches-HIP" appendix in the 
> v4 documentation. I realize that is a little confusing, so I've just made 
> some changes to clarify things a little. What we have in v4 is an example 
> package (please see Next steps... 
>  at the 
> end of the installation docs) whose contents closely resembles the original 
> Arches-HIP resource types from version 3. That's what is documented in the 
> appendix, and it's intended to give users a full set of branches and 
> resource models right away.
>
> I hope that clarifies things, and thanks for asking!
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Dale Lloyd  > wrote:
>
>> I am not clear on the difference between Arches and Arches HIP. Is HIP a 
>> package that extends the functionality of Arches, or is HIP a separate 
>> project?
>>
>> Looking here https://www.archesproject.org/documentation/, HIP is listed 
>> under the previous guides section as opposed to being listed under the 
>> current documentation, so I wonder if Arches version 4 is supposed to 
>> combine the functionality of Arches and HIP? Or has HIP been retired?
>>
>> HIP is built on Arches 3 - is this still maintained? The requirements 
>> list Python 2.7.6, stating that there are issues with later versions, but 
>> Python 2.7.6 has known security vulnerabilities, which I find concerning. 
>> Is it safe to use HIP? Is it possible install HIP in Arches V4?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>>
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Re: [Arches] Arches vs Arches HIP

[Adam Cox]

Hi Dale,

Arches-HIP was originally a specific application *built on top of* Arches
version 3, which included definitions for 6 standard resource types, data
input forms and report templates for those resource types, as well as a set
of concepts (controlled vocabulary). With that in mind, check this out as
well: http://arches-hip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/overview/#what-is
-arches-hip. In practice, arches-hip became the main entry point for
developers working with version 3, as a typical workflow was to install
arches and arches-hip, and then make new app from the arches-hip app
template and then customize this new app.

So Arches-HIP proper (especially the arches_hip python package) *is* only
for v3. There are many projects out there still using v3, but no, that
version is not officially supported at this time. I personally would love
to be able to make some upgrades to v3 to 1) move to Django 1.11 2) upgrade
Python and 3) (maybe) wrap arches-hip directly into the main codebase...
however, I have not been able to put any meaningful work toward that
effort, and don't know when I will be able to.

However, as you may have noticed, there is an "Arches-HIP" appendix in the
v4 documentation. I realize that is a little confusing, so I've just made
some changes to clarify things a little. What we have in v4 is an example
package (please see Next steps...
 at the
end of the installation docs) whose contents closely resembles the original
Arches-HIP resource types from version 3. That's what is documented in the
appendix, and it's intended to give users a full set of branches and
resource models right away.

I hope that clarifies things, and thanks for asking!

Adam

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Dale Lloyd  wrote:

> I am not clear on the difference between Arches and Arches HIP. Is HIP a
> package that extends the functionality of Arches, or is HIP a separate
> project?
>
> Looking here https://www.archesproject.org/documentation/, HIP is listed
> under the previous guides section as opposed to being listed under the
> current documentation, so I wonder if Arches version 4 is supposed to
> combine the functionality of Arches and HIP? Or has HIP been retired?
>
> HIP is built on Arches 3 - is this still maintained? The requirements list
> Python 2.7.6, stating that there are issues with later versions, but Python
> 2.7.6 has known security vulnerabilities, which I find concerning. Is it
> safe to use HIP? Is it possible install HIP in Arches V4?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
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