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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap Extended through 25
April 2018 (Job Snijders)
2. Re: Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap Extended through 25
April 2018 (Brian Jones)
3. Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap (David Farmer)
4. Re: Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap (Jason Schiller)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:11:34 +0000
From: Job Snijders <j...@ntt.net>
To: Brian Jones <bjo...@vt.edu>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap Extended
through 25 April 2018
Message-ID: <20180213191134.gb26...@vurt.meerval.net>
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Dear Brian,
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 07:05:36PM +0000, Brian Jones wrote:
> I agree that this is an effort worth pursuing. I do have security concerns
> about how authentication and authorization occurs.
>
> I would recommend focusing efforts around a set of agreed upon standards
> and remove any mention of ? best practices? from the language. That is an
> overloaded term that can mean anything to anyone, whereas a set of agreed
> upon standards should allow for clearer and more efficient operation. (See
> last bullet that includes ?best practices?.)
At this point there aren't really any proper standards to adhere to: the
"standards" that exist (as IETF documents) are grossly outdated and have
issues. We mostly have common sense and learning from other registries'
mistakes.
Kind regards,
Job
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:17:28 +0000
From: Brian Jones <bjo...@vt.edu>
To: Job Snijders <j...@ntt.net>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap Extended
through 25 April 2018
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So in my view it is evident we need to work toward a set of standards. Its
okay to use best practices to get there, but the goal should be a set of
standards that all the participants can agree to and rely on imho.
Thanks,
Brian
On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 2:11 PM Job Snijders <j...@ntt.net> wrote:
> Dear Brian,
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 07:05:36PM +0000, Brian Jones wrote:
> > I agree that this is an effort worth pursuing. I do have security
> concerns
> > about how authentication and authorization occurs.
> >
> > I would recommend focusing efforts around a set of agreed upon standards
> > and remove any mention of ? best practices? from the language. That is an
> > overloaded term that can mean anything to anyone, whereas a set of agreed
> > upon standards should allow for clearer and more efficient operation.
> (See
> > last bullet that includes ?best practices?.)
>
> At this point there aren't really any proper standards to adhere to: the
> "standards" that exist (as IETF documents) are grossly outdated and have
> issues. We mostly have common sense and learning from other registries'
> mistakes.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:13:16 -0600
From: David Farmer <far...@umn.edu>
To: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap
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On Tuesday at NANOG there was a presentation on ARIN's IRR Roadmap.
https://youtu.be/tsWq_LgNS5s
To me, one of the more interesting questions was should the old data be
carried over into the new system. My answer is both YES and NO.
More precisely, NO unverified IRR data should not be imported into the new
ARIN IRR. However YES, I want the opportunity to import and validate my
current data from the old ARIN IRR, or other IRRs for that matter, and have
it published into the new system.
To facilitate this transition I would suggest renaming the old ARIN IRR, to
something like "ARINOLD", allowing the new ARIN IRR to use the name
"ARIN". This would allow both the old and new ARIN IRRs to be available
for some period of time, I'd suggest a year or more.
Also, I would like to have the ability to import routing information from
the live BGP routing system and be able to validate it for publication into
the new ARIN IRR as well. Think of it as an IRR wizard, the wizard would
look at the BGP routing system and recommends the creation or removal of
IRR entries based on my live BGP announcements. It would also be great if
there was such a wizard for RPKI ROAs in ARIN's RPKI system too.
Thanks
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David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu
Networking & Telecommunication Services
Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota
2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815>
Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:06:28 -0500
From: Jason Schiller <jschil...@google.com>
To: David Farmer <far...@umn.edu>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on ARIN IRR Roadmap
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I am confused...
the current ARIN IRR is rr.arin.net
as in:
whois -h rr.arin.net 199.43.0.0/24
% This is the ARIN Routing Registry.
% Note: this output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.
% Information related to '199.43.0.0/24AS10745'
route: 199.43.0.0/24
descr: American Registry for Internet Numbers
PO Box 232290
Centreville, VA 20120
US
origin: AS10745
mnt-by: MNT-ARIN
source: ARIN # Filtered
remarks: ****************************
remarks: * THIS OBJECT CONTAINS PLACEHOLDER DATA
remarks: * Please note that all data that is generally regarded as
personal
remarks: * data has been removed from this object.
remarks: * To view the original object, please query the ARIN
Database at:
remarks: * http://www.arin.net/whois
remarks: ****************************
Are you just talking about handy language to use in discussions to make
things more clear?
__Jason
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:13 PM, David Farmer <far...@umn.edu> wrote:
> On Tuesday at NANOG there was a presentation on ARIN's IRR Roadmap.
>
> https://youtu.be/tsWq_LgNS5s
>
> To me, one of the more interesting questions was should the old data be
> carried over into the new system. My answer is both YES and NO.
> More precisely, NO unverified IRR data should not be imported into the new
> ARIN IRR. However YES, I want the opportunity to import and validate my
> current data from the old ARIN IRR, or other IRRs for that matter, and have
> it published into the new system.
>
> To facilitate this transition I would suggest renaming the old ARIN IRR,
> to something like "ARINOLD", allowing the new ARIN IRR to use the name
> "ARIN". This would allow both the old and new ARIN IRRs to be available
> for some period of time, I'd suggest a year or more.
>
> Also, I would like to have the ability to import routing information from
> the live BGP routing system and be able to validate it for publication into
> the new ARIN IRR as well. Think of it as an IRR wizard, the wizard would
> look at the BGP routing system and recommends the creation or removal of
> IRR entries based on my live BGP announcements. It would also be great if
> there was such a wizard for RPKI ROAs in ARIN's RPKI system too.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> ===============================================
> David Farmer Email:far...@umn.edu
> Networking & Telecommunication Services
> Office of Information Technology
> University of Minnesota
> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815>
> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952>
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