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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Expanding the Board (Bill Woodcock)
2. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (John Curran)
3. Re: Expanding the Board (vinton cerf)
4. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
Trustees (John Comfort)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 13:15:36 -0700
From: Bill Woodcock <wo...@pch.net>
To: vinton cerf <vgc...@gmail.com>
Cc: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Expanding the Board
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You mean to ten members, as John is proposing, or is this a separate proposal
to go to nine, adding two to the current seven?
-Bill
> On Apr 6, 2018, at 13:10, vinton cerf <vgc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am strongly in favor of the 9 member board plan. It provides increased
> opportunity for a diversity of perspectives, geographic and gender
> participation, and increases the pool of experienced board members in the
> community as they cycle from board service. This is not a massive expansion
> and should not become an impediment to quorum formation. There is a modest
> increase in travel expense but worth it for the other benefits this modest
> expansion brings. As a former Board chair and member of the Board, I would
> not have found the increase difficult to manage and would have welcomed the
> addition of diverse views.
>
> Vint Cerf
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 20:29:56 +0000
From: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
To: BIll Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
ARIN Board of Trustees
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On 6 Apr 2018, at 4:07 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:35 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
>> Specifically, the question is simply how small of a Board does the ARIN
>> community feel comfortable when it comes to setting strategic direction
>> in sensitive matters that are too early to engage with the full community.
>
> John, that's mission creep. The community doesn't want ARIN or its
> board to set a strategic direction for the Internet or any part of it.
> That's not the proper role of a *registry*. A registry records and
> reports. They don't "direct.?
Alas, ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting the
strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry system.
The impacted parties from such changes includes a significant portion of the
Internet infrastructure, since they all rely in part upon our services for
their success. While we work hard to consult with the ARIN community
regarding direction, it is not always possible for some of the more sensitive
matters, and hence the breath of Internet knowledge of the ARIN Board can be
crucial.
For example, in the case of the IANA stewardship transition, simply
entertaining discussion of the potential could have resulted in legislative or
regulatory responses that would have impacted not only the Internet number
registry system, but other parts of the ecosystem including the DNS community,
ICANN, and the IETF. Understanding such potential risks isn?t possible unless
you have Board of broad experience, more so than simply internet registry
services.
> Respectfully, if ARIN's board lacks any breadth it is most likely
> because the membership who elected them reflect a similar breadth.
> That's a problem with the selection process for the board, not its
> size. As we also discussed last year.
It would be challenging, no matter how broad the ARIN community, to have a
Board of three which covered all of the various portions of the affected
Internet ecosystem, and that refutes the idea that the diversity of the
community can assure breadth of knowledge of the resulting Board.
We have had truly incredible Board members with great breadth of knowledge in
the past, and six elected Board members of such quality have sufficed, but even
that?s uncertain going forward given less involvement from those who have led
the Internet since day one and additional complexity of new layers such as
cloud, mobile, CDN?s, and social media.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 16:32:34 -0400
From: vinton cerf <vgc...@gmail.com>
To: Bill Woodcock <wo...@pch.net>
Cc: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Expanding the Board
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I misread the proposal forgetting that John is the tenth member ex officio,
so I agree with ten.
vint
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Bill Woodcock <wo...@pch.net> wrote:
> You mean to ten members, as John is proposing, or is this a separate
> proposal to go to nine, adding two to the current seven?
>
> -Bill
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 2018, at 13:10, vinton cerf <vgc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am strongly in favor of the 9 member board plan. It provides increased
> opportunity for a diversity of perspectives, geographic and gender
> participation, and increases the pool of experienced board members in the
> community as they cycle from board service. This is not a massive expansion
> and should not become an impediment to quorum formation. There is a modest
> increase in travel expense but worth it for the other benefits this modest
> expansion brings. As a former Board chair and member of the Board, I would
> not have found the increase difficult to manage and would have welcomed the
> addition of diverse views.
> >
> > Vint Cerf
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 13:35:38 -0700
From: John Comfort <j...@comfortconsulting.com>
To: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
Cc: BIll Herrin <b...@herrin.us>, "<arin-consult@arin.net>"
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Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
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Does a six-member board not already provide a diversity of perspectives,
geographic and gender participation? It seems we're just re-iterating last
year's "Diversity" agenda using more ambiguous language. As WilliamH &
BillW mentioned larger groups are less optimal. However, BillW's
"white-guy" comment is irrelevant. Please stop adding race to the
discussion.
The issue on expanding the board should not be based on gender, race or
sexual orientation. On the contrary, it should be based on efficiency,
merit, experience, competence, or other requirements such as quorum.
If the board at six members cannot approve a measure with a minimum quorum
because only half of the six show up at a meeting, then perhaps nine-member
boards would suffice when there requires a certain minimum vote whether or
not all are present.
JohnC
On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 1:29 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2018, at 4:07 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:35 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> >> Specifically, the question is simply how small of a Board does the ARIN
> >> community feel comfortable when it comes to setting strategic direction
> >> in sensitive matters that are too early to engage with the full
> community.
> >
> > John, that's mission creep. The community doesn't want ARIN or its
> > board to set a strategic direction for the Internet or any part of it.
> > That's not the proper role of a *registry*. A registry records and
> > reports. They don't "direct.?
>
> Alas, ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting
> the strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry
> system. The impacted parties from such changes includes a significant
> portion of the Internet infrastructure, since they all rely in part upon
> our services for their success. While we work hard to consult with the
> ARIN community regarding direction, it is not always possible for some of
> the more sensitive matters, and hence the breath of Internet knowledge of
> the ARIN Board can be crucial.
>
> For example, in the case of the IANA stewardship transition, simply
> entertaining discussion of the potential could have resulted in legislative
> or regulatory responses that would have impacted not only the Internet
> number registry system, but other parts of the ecosystem including the DNS
> community, ICANN, and the IETF. Understanding such potential risks isn?t
> possible unless you have Board of broad experience, more so than simply
> internet registry services.
>
> > Respectfully, if ARIN's board lacks any breadth it is most likely
> > because the membership who elected them reflect a similar breadth.
> > That's a problem with the selection process for the board, not its
> > size. As we also discussed last year.
>
> It would be challenging, no matter how broad the ARIN community, to have a
> Board of three which covered all of the various portions of the affected
> Internet ecosystem, and that refutes the idea that the diversity of the
> community can assure breadth of knowledge of the resulting Board.
>
> We have had truly incredible Board members with great breadth of knowledge
> in the past, and six elected Board members of such quality have sufficed,
> but even that?s uncertain going forward given less involvement from those
> who have led the Internet since day one and additional complexity of new
> layers such as cloud, mobile, CDN?s, and social media.
>
> Thanks,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
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