Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-08 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:19 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On May 7, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marilson Mapa wrote: > > ... > I mentioned the creation of BGP that replaced EGP, with policy-based > routing, a routing based on a set of non-technical rules, defined by > Autonomous Systems, to BGP4 designed

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> On May 7, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Michel Py > wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > > Owen and I have been interacting for decades and we have met in person. > We have radically opposed opinions on some heavy topics that I will not > mention here. > Although it was private, I have admitted publicly that

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-08 Thread Owen DeLong
> On May 7, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marilson Mapa wrote: > > Owen, I almost cried with the paradise you described. > > Ø people of good will and good character > Ø like a small town where everyone could leave their doors unlocked > > In the 20th century? Steve Jobs described a very different

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 07:25:49PM +, Michel Py wrote: > Hi Keith, > > > Keith W. Hare wrote : > > I have not yet seen a complete clear consistent definition of BGP/Route > > hijacking. Such a definition is a prerequisite to defining a meaningful > > policy. > > I agree. I've always