[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding

2020-07-21 Thread Eric Lee
We support this policy. Typically under contractual arrangements various assignments are allowed. It sounds like there are protections in place to make sure that the IP space remains ineligible for transfer outside of the merged entity for the entirety of the 60 month window. Eric E. Lee Vice

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread Owen DeLong
FWIW, I prefer the language proposed by Leif. Owen > On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:27 , Rob Seastrom wrote: > > > I would support either your suggestion or Leif’s. > > Thank you for your thoughts! > > -r > > >> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:10 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: >> >> How about

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread Mike Burns
Why would anybody buy the rare company with a lowly /22 instead of just buying one of the ubiquitous /22s on the market? If the buyer is complicit in the original fraud on the waiting list, they make themselves an obvious target for potential revocation after engaging in the subsequent 8.2

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread Fernando Frediani
On 21/07/2020 14:39, Rob Seastrom wrote: This proposal may bring an issue in such scenario and perhaps there should still be some minimal time restriction that makes it more difficult for fraudsters to act with such intention. The counter argument is that putting such time restrictions in

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread Rob Seastrom
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Fernando Frediani wrote: > > I remain opposed to this proposal for the same reasons stated before. > > I don't see what can avoid that someone to register a new company, get into > the waiting list, receive an allocation and right after that be "purchased" >

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread hostmas...@uneedus.com
Yes, that would work well. That seems to be clearer language than my initial attempt. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, Leif Sawyer wrote: "Partial returns of any IPv6 allocation that results in less than a /36 of holding are not permitted,

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread Rob Seastrom
I would support either your suggestion or Leif’s. Thank you for your thoughts! -r > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:10 PM, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote: > > How about "Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 OTHER THAN A > RETURN OF ALL IPv6 RESOURCES are not permitted regardless of the

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread Leif Sawyer
"Partial returns of any IPv6 allocation that results in less than a /36 of holding are not permitted, [...]" This would seem to address Albert's issue, and remove the uncertainty of "downgrade" while allowing for a "complete return" of IPv6 space. Leif Sawyer GCI | Enterprise Security

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread hostmaster
How about "Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 OTHER THAN A RETURN OF ALL IPv6 RESOURCES are not permitted regardless of the ISP’s current or former IPv4 number resource holdings." At least this avoids the "Hotel California" issue. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread Rob Seastrom
Hi Albert, As a practical matter, I don’t think the NRPM overrides your ability to terminate your contract with ARIN should that become a business requirement. Do you have alternative language to suggest that is clear, concise, and preserves the intent of narrowly boxing in nano-allocations

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread hostmaster
Even at $10/address, we are already past the point where this is viable. And of course, if the only asset of the new company is the IPv4 resources, selling the entire company to the new holder neatly bypasses any time restrictions that the NRPM imposes. Likely this will be done right after

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread Fernando Frediani
I remain opposed to this proposal for the same reasons stated before. I don't see what can avoid that someone to register a new company, get into the waiting list, receive an allocation and right after that be "purchased" by another company which is not entitled to be in the waiting list

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread hostmaster
I have a problem with this language: "Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 are not permitted regardless of the ISP’s current or former IPv4 number resource holdings." Downgrades include in my mind a return, and thus a downgrade to 0. This language seems to lock in anyone who

[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-07-21 Thread ARIN
On 16 July 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced the following Draft Policy to Recommended Draft Policy status: ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations The text of the Recommended Draft Policy is below, and may also be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_3/ You

[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist

2020-07-21 Thread ARIN
On 16 July 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced the following Draft Policy to Recommended Draft Policy status: ARIN-2020-1: Clarify Holding Period for Resources Received via 4.1.8 Waitlist The text of the Recommended Draft Policy is below, and may also be found at:

[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - July 2020

2020-07-21 Thread ARIN
In accordance with the Policy Development Process (PDP), the Advisory Council met on 16 July 2020. The AC has advanced the following to the Board of Trustees for review: * ARIN-2019-1: Clarify Section 4 IPv4 Request Requirements * ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion * ARIN-2019-20: