Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-03 Thread John Curran
On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Derek Calanchini der...@cnets.net wrote: John, That is GREAT NEWS! Given that, there will be no need to fudge...When I say fudge, I manage my IP's very tightly right now...I have been using the same 4 class c's for almost 15 years. I could easily, legitimately

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-02 Thread John Curran
On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Derek Calanchini der...@cnets.net wrote: Sorry, I replied to the wrong one, this is the one I am waiting on: ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 Much clearer now... Policy ARIN-2014-13: Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-09-02 Thread Derek Calanchini
John, That is GREAT NEWS!  Given that, there will be no need to fudge...When I say fudge, I manage my IP's very tightly right now...I have been using the same 4 class c's for almost 15 years. I could easily, legitimately justify a /21 by switching to a

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-09 Thread Kelly Hays
I support this. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-09 Thread Skylar MacMinn
I support this. From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Hays Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 1:20 PM To: Kevin Blumberg Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Kevin Blumberg
List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Mark Elkins
I support. On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 01:44 +, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: Do you support the substantive changes in this policy? I support Owen's original policy with the minor tweaks to deal with the couple of things he missed. I do not support the policy as rewritten. The rewrite is, I believe,

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 5, 2014, at 23:49 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: Do you support the substantive changes in this policy? I support Owen's original policy with the minor tweaks to deal with the couple of things he missed.

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Mike Burns
@arin.net List (arin-ppml@arin.net) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-06 Thread Michael Peddemors
+1 Support On 14-05-05 06:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of support or questions. Thanks, Kevin Blumberg ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Owen DeLong
In short, because as specified, the changes ended up with the NRPM being somewhat nonsensical. This revision does not change any of the original inent, preserves most of the original text of the proposal, and leaves the NRPM in tact with legible text after making the changes. Do you have a

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Estimated thirty changes to text. It appears that the AC just couldn't resist modifying what we all agreed on en masse. It'll take some time to evaluate all thirty plus changes. I'll reserve my comments for the NANOG PPC in Bellevue. Best, -M On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Owen DeLong

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Bill Darte
Great. Digest it and then determine if you support it or not. This proposal is the same as that which has received all the popular support only it is now a complete, comprehensive proposal that does not leave the NRPM in tatters. bd On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Martin Hannigan

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread George Herbert
Support the fully fleshed out redline etc version. -george On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Kevin Blumberg kev...@thewire.ca wrote: I'm sending out a revised version of prop-208. Included is an attachment with a redline version to assist. I would appreciate any feedback of support or

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Actually, Bill, it's not. There are significant changes in the tone and tenor and therefore how it will be interpreted and how people familiar with the previous iteration will now have to adapt to figure out how to satisfy the borg with this iteration. It may appear easy, that the staff is super

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Owen DeLong
Interesting estimate. The policy text contains a total of 9 NRPM sections which are modified. I suppose if you want to contemplate each single deletion and insertion as a separate text change, then there are, in fact, exactly 30 total changes, but most of them were, in fact, part of the

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread Martin Hannigan
Owen, no one is surprised you're minimizing the changes. Of course you are. :-) That's alright. The point here is that if this is to become law sooner than later ARIN needs much more than the usual weak support. The redline that you all chose to put forth appears to be little more than lipstick

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-208 Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

2014-05-05 Thread George Herbert
Martin - The original proposal and this draft both seemed straightforwards (and easily supportable) to me. Can you please articulate in more detail what your objections are, both in theory and in the textual changes/details? I honestly do not currently understand what your issue(s) are. I