Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-04 Thread Bill Owens
Please forgive my ignorance of the details of the policy development process, but based on what I can see from looking at the timelines for other proposals on the ARIN website, it doesn't appear to me that this policy has any time left to be relevant. It appears that the proposal would need to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-04 Thread John Curran
On Sep 4, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Bill Owens ow...@nysernet.org wrote: Please forgive my ignorance of the details of the policy development process, but based on what I can see from looking at the timelines for other proposals on the ARIN website, it doesn't appear to me that this policy has any

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/23/14, 7:58, ARIN wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_18.html You are encouraged

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Paul S.
+1, I agree completely. On 9/4/2014 午前 02:29, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/23/14, 7:58, ARIN wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18 is below and can be found at:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread John Santos
I agree with Seth. Oppose ARIN-2014-18. On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/23/14, 7:58, ARIN wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18 is below

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/3/14, 12:03, Martin Hannigan wrote: So we should strand fragments and fail to adapt to the changing world and rely on policy relics (multi homing) to deny people access to address space? I don't know what this means. ~Seth ___ PPML You are

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Richard J. Letts
What Seth said; oppose 2014-18 /RjL On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/23/14, 7:58, ARIN wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18 is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-03 Thread Martin Hannigan
Problem Statement: New and small organizations are having a difficult time receiving resource allocations from ARIN because of the economic, administrative and time burdens of making their way through ARIN's needs testing process. For small I haven't seen any evidence of this.

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-02 Thread Derek Calanchini
Hello all, If you had to guess, how long would you think before I can order up a /22 (4 class C's)  from Arin?  I am trying to decide if I need to fudge the truth and order up a /21  Best regards,  

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-09-02 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/2/14, 12:57, Derek Calanchini wrote: If you had to guess, how long would you think before I can order up a /22 (4 class C's) from Arin? I am trying to decide if I need to fudge the truth and order up a /21 Not to be too pedantic, but you probably won't be able to get 4 class C's even

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-24 Thread Kevin Kargel
I want one! Kevin -Original Message- From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Gary Buhrmaster Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:10 PM To: Mike Burns Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-24 Thread Christoph Blecker
Opposed, based on reasons already provided in this thread. Cheers, Christoph On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:58 AM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote: On 17 July 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted ARIN-prop-210 Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-07-24 08:35 AM, Christoph Blecker wrote: Where this is in conflict with any other Section in the Policy Manual, this Section shall be controlling.” Could it be this line that is creating opposition? I am in favor of allowing smaller allocations.. but maybe there are some very specific

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-24 Thread Christoph Blecker
I think the bigger problem is the concept as a whole. To qualify for a /24 (which will be the new minimum for end users and ISPs alike if the ARIN Board adopts 2014-13, which has been recommended to it), you need to justify the use of 204 addresses in the next three months. This is an extremely

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-24 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Christoph Blecker cblec...@gmail.com wrote: I think the bigger problem is the concept as a whole. To qualify for a /24 (which will be the new minimum for end users and ISPs alike if the ARIN Board adopts 2014-13, which has been recommended to it), you need

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-23 Thread Blake Dunlap
Opposed, as I do not see the need to justify 200 addresses as enough of a burden to outweigh the benefits of not giving out /24s like candy to those who cannot when coupled with the likely to be implemented minimum /24 size allocation to an ORG. The laws of physics cause this to be needed, due to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-23 Thread Mike Burns
- From: Blake Dunlap Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:17 PM To: ARIN Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments Opposed, as I do not see the need to justify 200 addresses as enough of a burden to outweigh

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

2014-07-23 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote: . How else are we going to get rid of the more than 1,000 /24s left as the dregs of decades of allocations? Well, you could always reintroduce the proposal that everyone who commented (on that proposal proposal) would get