Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Bill Woodcock
- increase the reserve pool to a /15 - increase the minimum allocation for an IXP to a /22 Quadrupling the allocation while doubling the pool halves the number of IXPs served, and I think it would be unfortunate and short-sighted to let that happen. To inject some facts into the debate:

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. The discussion in the Open-IX community seems to support a CI change related to IXPs in the following manners: - use sparse allocations for CI space Helps to avoid renumbering of growing CI. We will use the

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread David Farmer
On 9/30/14, 18:12 , Bill Woodcock wrote: - increase the reserve pool to a /15 - increase the minimum allocation for an IXP to a /22 Quadrupling the allocation while doubling the pool halves the number of IXPs served, and I think it would be unfortunate and short-sighted to let that happen.

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Owen DeLong
A more rational threshold for that measurement would be 248 or even 240 participants. Consider most IXPs have at least a couple of route servers (2 IPs) and likely need some numbers for the physical infrastructure of the IXP. Additionally, there are only 254 usable IP addresses in a /24, and

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-29 Thread John Curran
On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: In a discussion within the OIX standards community, there is support for asking ARIN to sparsely allocate micro allocation space for IXPs on /23. The only question is, how should we proceed? Ask ARIN directly or submit a

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
Andrew, There was a discussion yesterday on the Open-IX standards list: http://bit.ly/OIX-ARIN-20140926 Summarizing: - Zero support for your proposed changes impacting IXPs. Hope that helps. Best, -M On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: If I

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-27 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Andrew Dul andrew@quark.net wrote: Hello, At the Chicago meeting there was some discussion around the micro-allocation policy (section 4.4) of the NRPM. I committed to the AC to produce a draft update to this section based upon feedback that I heard

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-25 Thread Martin Hannigan
If I were going to change anything with micro allocations I would change: - Make RIRs singular as in ARIN, not all of them. - Remove the policy term and make it permanent IXP growth has changed dramatically since the policy was written. I'm not sure I understand the desire to change to a /26?

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-23 Thread Owen DeLong
: Andrew Dul [mailto:andrew@quark.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:22 AM To: David Huberman; arin-ppml@arin.net; Andrew Dul Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft David, If the last section was changed to... Other critical infrastructure such as core

[arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Dul
Hello, At the Chicago meeting there was some discussion around the micro-allocation policy (section 4.4) of the NRPM. I committed to the AC to produce a draft update to this section based upon feedback that I heard from the community. Below you will find a draft update. This has not yet been

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread David Huberman
?This text concerns me: Other critical infrastructure which is not defined in other sub-sections of section 4.4, may receive allocations from ARIN, when operational need can be demonstrated. Can you please give us a real-world example? The pre-defined list of critical operators has

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread David Huberman
[mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:05 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net; Andrew Dul Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft ​This text concerns me: Other critical infrastructure which is not defined in other sub-sections

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-09-22 10:56 AM, Andrew Dul wrote: These allocations will be no smaller than a /26. Should you also indicate the 'max' covered by micro allocations? -- Catch the Magic of Linux... Michael Peddemors, President/CEO

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Dul
On 9/22/2014 11:05 AM, David Huberman wrote: ​This text concerns me: Other critical infrastructure which is not defined in other sub-sections of section 4.4, may receive allocations from ARIN, when operational need can be demonstrated. Can you please give us a real-world example?

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-22 Thread David Huberman
, 2014 11:22 AM To: David Huberman; arin-ppml@arin.net; Andrew Dul Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft David, If the last section was changed to... Other critical infrastructure such as core DNS service providers (e.g. ICANN-sanctioned root and ccTLD operators) as well