Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

+1=$ On Sunday, June 4, 2023, Matt Harris wrote: > Matt Harris​ > VP OF INFRASTRUCTURE > > *Follow us on LinkedIn!* > > *matt.har...@netfire.net* > *816-256-5446* <816-256-5446> >

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On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:37 PM Fernando Frediani wrote: > If there are not enough incentives already let's create more then. We, as > a community in a bottom up process as responsible for creating them based > on what is right and fair to most people. > > Use the excuse that the broker market is

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n-ppml] Tenfold fee increases? I believe the conversation is valid and should continue… if there is another active list that is a better fit then move it there but as Tom pointed out this seems to be the most appropriate list. My vote is to keep the conversation going. Michael On Sun, Jun 4

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When John shut down Aron-discuss, he encouraged those of us who opposed its shutdown to migrate those discussions here. It is disingenuous at best to now call such a discussion inappropriate. Prior to that event, I would have agreed with you. However, in light of the historical context I think it

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Agree entirely and well said, Fernando. Michael On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 10:37 Fernando Frediani wrote: > If there are not enough incentives already let's create more then. We, as > a community in a bottom up process as responsible for creating them based > on what is right and fair to most

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If there are not enough incentives already let's create more then. We, as a community in a bottom up process as responsible for creating them based on what is right and fair to most people. Use the excuse that the broker market is happing is not enough to try pretend things like leasing is a

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On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:19 AM Heather Schiller wrote: > ARIN moderators -- please consider moving or closing this thread. > > Folks, ARIN fees are not set through the Policy Development Process. The > board sets fees and has the fiduciary responsibility to ARIN. Direct > complaints to the

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I believe the conversation is valid and should continue… if there is another active list that is a better fit then move it there but as Tom pointed out this seems to be the most appropriate list. My vote is to keep the conversation going. Michael On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 01:59 Tom Fantacone

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Heather, I wish I could have posted this on arin-discuss@, but it's been shut down as you know.  While ARIN's fee structure is not set by policy, extravagant fee increases do have a very practical effect on the implementation of policy, and I think it's appropriate to discuss here, as

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ARIN moderators -- please consider moving or closing this thread. Folks, ARIN fees are not set through the Policy Development Process. The board sets fees and has the fiduciary responsibility to ARIN. Direct complaints to the Board, maybe the suggestion process, ARIN feedback surveys or the

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“All that said, I couldn’t find any justification for the increase from $1,000 to $10,000. If there is justification or other details regarding the increase, I’d appreciate a pointer to them.” Hi David, Reading the new contract it’s clear that ARIN’s intention here is to avoid any

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I see no value in IPv4 brokers. If you don't want to pay those fees, you're more than welcome to return unused IPv4 space to the ARIN pool. The entire community would appreciate it. On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 7:52 PM Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML < arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: > Fees for IP

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Let’s be honest; the original $100 was just a number thrown out because ARIN knew it had to charge something but didn’t have a good idea what the real costs would be. The $1,000 number seems very reasonable to me, maybe even low. At $10,000, I have a small amount of sympathy for an argument that

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Matt Harris VP OF INFRASTRUCTURE Follow us on LinkedIn! matt.har...@netfire.net 816-256-5446 www.netfire.com On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 7:15 AM Bill Woodcock wrote: > Removing the program, with its criteria and fees, would not stop the > practice. I will be the first to admit that, when I was on

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 5:15 AM Bill Woodcock wrote: > I was completely against commercial brokerage of > IP addresses, as a matter of principle. I believed > that IP addresses, when no longer needed, should > be returned to the RIR for redistribution as needed. The "legal fiction," so to

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Fantacone Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases? Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion. The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone mailto:t...@iptrading.com>> wr

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Actually in the phone number space, there are LARGE blocks of numbers that cannot easily be returned because of legacy issues. The legacy technology is pagers, which ironically I still use to alert me to network outages by automatic means. Texting cannot be used to alert to internet failures,

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Removing the program, with its criteria and fees, would not stop the practice. I will be the first to admit that, when I was on the ARIN board, I was completely against commercial brokerage of IP addresses, as a matter of principle. I believed that IP addresses, when no longer needed, should

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I don’t see a reason to shut it down as it keeps at least some level of standard and provides revenue for ARIN. But then again in completely against brokeraging IP addresses. So I could go either way. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 17:26 Dominik Dobrowolski < dominikdobrowolski...@gmail.com> wrote: >

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If we are at it, Why shouldn't we discuss openly whether to even keep facilitators program alive? Dominik Dobrowolski, dominet LLC On Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 10:32 PM Tom Fantacone wrote: > I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees > would be going up by a factor of 10.

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Yessir. I cannot wait for both… but something tells me it may not happen in my lifetime. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 15:04 Owen DeLong wrote: > The good news is that when IPv4 finally goes away, so do the brokers and > all of the other silliness paid transfers have brought with them. > > Owen > > >

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The good news is that when IPv4 finally goes away, so do the brokers and all of the other silliness paid transfers have brought with them. Owen > On Jun 1, 2023, at 16:51, Michael B. Williams via ARIN-PPML > wrote: > > Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion. > > The

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: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases? Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion. The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone mailto:t...@iptrading.com> > wro

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Fees for IP Brokers should be 100,000 times more, in my opinion. The fact that there is even a business for IP trading is sickening. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Tom Fantacone wrote: > I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees > would be going up by a factor of 10.

[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees would be going up by a factor of 10. We live in inflationary times, but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%? Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary, let me qualify that this fee