Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Owen DeLong
Mike, Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy holders for any blocks issued under 4.1.8 reduces the need for the market. Defunct organizations can easily be reclaimed in this space because they stop paying their ARIN bill. Eliminating the resale value of these addresses won’t really

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Mike Burns
The percentages of blocks transferred takes a significant leap at the /19 size. Below that, the percentages are all below 7%. At /19 and above, the percentages are all above 21%. Seems like a natural demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do continue to rise. While we want to fight

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Fernando Frediani
Yeah, if someone is leasing IP addresses means that he (the resource holder) doesn't have use for them anymore. As such ARIN (or any other RIR) should recover those addresses then. IP addresses were never made of thought to be leased in this way as asset that can be leased. On 28/05/2019

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Robert Clarke
Hi John, Thanks for sharing. I'd like to note that it can be dangerous to use the blocks transferred via 8.2/8.3/9.4 as a metric for abuse. A fraudster that gets past ARIN's scrutiny and obtains IPs with fraudulent information is probably smart enough to lease their IPs as opposed to selling

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread John Curran
On 28 May 2019, at 1:59 PM, Michael B. Williams mailto:michael.willi...@glexia.com>> wrote: This is actually very helpful and useful information/ Perhaps any policy written should only require larger blocks to go back to ARIN. In reality, if we're putting a /22 or /21 limit on waitlists and

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Michael B. Williams
This is actually very helpful and useful information/ Perhaps any policy written should only require larger blocks to go back to ARIN. In reality, if we're putting a /22 or /21 limit on waitlists and the transfer rates are this low, I am fine not requiring IP blocks to go back to ARIN. I think

Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread Douglas Haber via ARIN-PPML
It's very interesting to see that the larger the blocks are, by in large, the most likely to be transferred. To me, that seems suspect. Thanks for sharing. Douglas Haber Managing Member Garden State Computing, LLC Tel: (973) 636-7350

[arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance

2019-05-28 Thread John Curran
Folks - It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting list blocks issued and subsequently transferred. Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that have been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently transferred via NRPM