Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Original Message From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 09:08:14AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Chuck Card via arm-netbook > wrote: > > > I want to provide some additional funding, but I rather not open another > > account. Will paypal work for

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Pablo Rath wrote: > Today I read an interesting blogpost of Joey about Patreon, Liberapay > and Bitcoin. > He recently created a liberapay account and he hopes liberapay works out. > Read the post here: >

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 09:34:47AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > But such system should be created. > > How should it be founded? > > there do exist several. it does seem though that certain well-known > and well-respected people whose contribution has been consistent and >

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

[ron, thank you for writing this, it's very insightful and thoughtful] On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > If beneficial to lkcl, he can erase me from the > shipping list and no refund. I ask others to do the same. that's really appreciated, that you would

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Chuck Card via arm-netbook wrote: > Hi Luke, > I backed this project because I feel what you are doing is extraordinary. thanks chuck. > I want to provide some additional funding, but I rather not open another > account. Will

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)

> ...i am back > - once again - to being DEPENDENT on donations and sponsorship and, > once a fucking gain getting money from contract work and/or having to > consider enslavement i mean employment which i know that people will > say "you're wasting your time, you're a threat to our jobs". Hi

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

2017-12-30 11:01 GMT+01:00 : > > One option is, lkcl sets a monthly required amount of > money for the next 6 months. I am prepared to pay > lkcl 5usd a month. > Great idea ! 5USD per month is also all I can afford for now, but on the other hand if half of the backers

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > Hi Luke, >> Just one question: is canceling support for the CrowdSupply campaign an >> option if you go through with this? > > I’m quoting

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Hi Luke, Julie Marchant writes: > You know what's unethical? Mining Bitcoin. Because as has already been > mentioned, mining Bitcoin uses a *ton* of energy, and it doesn't > actually produce anything in the end. Isn't one of the main features of > EOMA68 being environmentally

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > Sorry if this has been discussed before, but Luke have you investigated > [snowdrift.coop](https://snowdrift.coop/) and [Open >

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 30/12/17 20:45, ronwirr...@safe-mail.net wrote: Displaying a form of payment is not good enough. Lkcl should make a website. It should show which amount of money he wants monthly and how much people have paid a given month. It should list several forms of payments. Including paypal. I am not

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 07:04:35PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > got one https://liberapay.com/~27466/widgets/ I am going to send you some money for the next 9 months (at least). I registered an account at liberapay and started the process to transfer money to my account. I think

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 12/30/2017 03:45 PM, ronwirr...@safe-mail.net wrote: > Displaying a form of payment is not good enough. Lkcl should > make a website. It should show which amount of money he > wants monthly and how much people have paid a given > month. > It should list several forms of payments. Including

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Displaying a form of payment is not good enough. Lkcl should make a website. It should show which amount of money he wants monthly and how much people have paid a given month. It should list several forms of payments. Including paypal. I am not going to register about a new service in order to

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 7:12 PM, zap wrote: >> got one https://liberapay.com/~27466/widgets/ > > When I get a chance I will send you some money. Just need to get my > paychecks after holiday. :0 :) thx zap ___ arm-netbook

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 12/30/2017 02:04 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Mike Henry > wrote: >> https://liberapay.com/ is a great platform for what you

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 12/30/2017 02:04 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Mike Henry > wrote: >> https://liberapay.com/ is a great platform for what you

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Mike Henry wrote: > https://liberapay.com/ is a great platform for what you propose, Luke > should make an account. got one

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 12/30/2017 01:35 PM, Mike Henry wrote: > https://liberapay.com/ is a great platform for what you propose, Luke > should make an account. > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:01 AM, wrote: > I know I am guilty of this as well, but Luke is going to say, don't top post. 

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

ight, i've got enough information from the payouts and commissions to be able to reverse-engineer their operation with a reasonable degree of confidence. key mistake: i initially *misinterpreted* the MLM commissions structure as paying out $200/day *guaranteed*. what they *actually* do is,

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 29/12/17 16:14, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > oh! alexander. yeah. you! i'm happy to pay your membership, you've > been extraordinarily helpful and persistent :) oh thx. I’ll pm ya. ___ arm-netbook mailing list

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Joseph Lira wrote: > Luke just a little confused, are you saying if im from the > first batch i wont get an eoma68 this June/July 2018? eoma68 is a standard, you can see it on elinux.org :) you mean a physical item, in this case an

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing Message-ID:

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Sam Huntress wrote: >> you mean, starting e.g. from here: >> https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats >> and here: >>

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

After recently learning how bitcoin network fees and shot up to £70 min! I asked for alts and was recommended to use dash. https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20171227.034339.c3c3053f.en.html ___ arm-netbook mailing list

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Sam Huntress wrote: > We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some > confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is. > > In a ponzi

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Julie Marchant wrote: > I'm not familiar with the terms "first batch" and "second batch" as it > pertains to this project. Which was the first and which was the

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We all seem to be talking past each other and I fear we may have some confusion about what a ponzi scheme actually is. In a ponzi scheme, money is taken from 'investors' under the false pretense (lie) that it will be used to fund operations with a positive return on investment when actually that

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 2017年12月29日 08:53, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > (1) if you're part of the 2nd batch you can at any time send > crowdsupply your order number, cc me, and i'll authorise a refund. > they have all the funds, stored in their bank account(s). also, you > don't need to read further, below.

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Julie Marchant wrote: > Ugh, did it again. Sorry. > > On 2017年12月28日 04:13, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> it's >> too close to the exploitation i've witnessed

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > I got to be honest here, running out of funds in a crowdfunding > campaign and looking to make it up via bitcoin does not make me feel > very

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > when you google genesis, one of first thing it pops up is scam alert. It is > well known fact. i have a friend who signed up for them a while

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 12/28/17 15:07, Mike Henry wrote: I know you are in a desperate situation with lots of pressure, but if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I mostly just lurk on this mailing list, im a backer on the crowdsupply campaign. I am not an expert on bitcoin or any concurrency. I just

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > ok so the past couple of updates i sent out i mentioned that there's > no longer sufficient funds in the current campaign to further pay > accommodation or any other living expenses. thus it is *really >

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On December 28, 2017 12:17:14 PM EST, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: >Interesting, I haven't heard of GNU Taler. But please excuse my >ignorance: Reading the official website doesn't help me understand >exactly what it is. Can you explain (or link to a good explanation)? > >On

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 28 December 2017 at 17:54, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Sam Huntress > wrote: > >>would it not be worthwhile, do you think, to

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

Interesting, I haven't heard of GNU Taler. But please excuse my ignorance: Reading the official website doesn't help me understand exactly what it is. Can you explain (or link to a good explanation)? On 28/12/17 17:11, Julie Marchant wrote: gnu taler seems sufficient to me. We don't need

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

gnu taler seems sufficient to me. We don't need crypto currency, a way to anonymously and securely transfer actual money should do just fine. -- Julie Marchant https://onpon4.github.io On Dec 28, 2017 11:32 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 3:07

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Sam Huntress wrote: >>would it not be worthwhile, do you think, to leverage > *this* opportunity > > The problem is that '*this* opportunity' absolutely screams

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>would it not be worthwhile, do you think, to leverage *this* opportunity The problem is that '*this* opportunity' absolutely screams pyramid scheme and should not be trusted without solid verification that the operators of this mining pool are making the investments they claim to be making. On

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Sam Huntress wrote: > Currently Bitcoin is an insane gold-rush bubble that is frivolous and > wasteful but it has the potential to balance out into the secure, > distributed, democratized digital currency it was designed to be and I > think

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Sam Huntress wrote: >> if people published their private wallet addresses then yes. > No. The entire point of public/private key pairs is that you can prove you >

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> if people published their private wallet addresses then yes. No. The entire point of public/private key pairs is that you can prove you own the pair without revealing the private key. https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/58792/proof-of-address-ownership We can use the bitcoin ledger

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On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Jean Flamelle wrote: > All in all, this type of speculation rewards gambling and malicious > mass misinformation campaigns and I would not support it by > participating. thank you, jean, for a really informative and insightful discourse.

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>> Look at how many similar schemes, offering no proof of actual mining, >> exist right now. This is not going to end well. > > I have to second this opinion. Luke, doing *nothing* and losing the > funds honorably would easily be preferable over trying to do *any* kind My understanding of

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Sent this from the wrong email address. Please excuse the duplicate email. Luke: if the other email is in the moderation queue, feel free to just reject it, since it doesn't add anything beyond this version. On 2017年12月27日 06:23, Luca Saiu wrote: > You may want to have a look at this: >

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Luca Saiu wrote: > On 2017-12-27 at 12:35, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> if the amount of BTC going out is GREATER than the BTC coming in, >> then, clearly

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 2017-12-27 at 13:15, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > btw, for those people still thinking this is a "ponzi" scheme... or > that it's a MLM that will collapse under its own weight... bitclub > *do* actually recognise - and anyone else who knows about bitcoin > knows this - that there's

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 2017-12-27 at 12:35, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > if the amount of BTC going out is GREATER than the BTC coming in, > then, clearly and logically, that would be unsustainable, meaning that > they would HAVE to get some extra BTC from somewhere Correct, but that's a very big "if".

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btw, for those people still thinking this is a "ponzi" scheme... or that it's a MLM that will collapse under its own weight... bitclub *do* actually recognise - and anyone else who knows about bitcoin knows this - that there's only probably about 3-5 years left where bitcoin mining will make any

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > I guess efficiency number are needed here. How much bitcoin is being > mined/generated per input (dollar/euro's/joules) they're connected to the national grid in Iceland (they don't run everything there, for

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > Yes your mining currency. Just like gold etc. > > But you're putting in dollars/euro's/etc. they only accept bitcoin. that bitcoin is used to buy equipment... that mines... bitcoin. they pay out... only in

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

2017-12-27 13:35 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Luca Saiu wrote: >> On 2017-12-27 at 11:37, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> It is not unique, and there is no hard proof that the money being >> generated

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 27 December 2017 at 13:24, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > >> > >> that's because they really, really don't

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Luca Saiu wrote: > On 2017-12-27 at 11:37, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Luca Saiu wrote: >>> On 2017-12-27 at 09:59, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >>> (1) is there

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

2017-12-27 12:07 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, mike.v...@gmail.com > wrote: >> 2017-12-27 10:59 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : >> Although I think that is also based on lack of insight. It

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: >> >> that's because they really, really don't understand it: all their >> experience is based on fiat currencies. and as crypto-currencies go >>

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On 2017-12-27 at 11:37, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Luca Saiu wrote: >> On 2017-12-27 at 09:59, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> >>> (1) is there anyone who does NOT wish to put their own money into >>> buying bitclub shares who

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> > that's because they really, really don't understand it: all their > experience is based on fiat currencies. and as crypto-currencies go > up in value, fiat currencies correspondingly and naturally *go down*. > this is something that everyone is forgetting, that, ultimately, the > value of

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Luca Saiu wrote: > On 2017-12-27 at 11:25, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > >> How well guarded is the group? The biggest risk in these "markets" is >> that if they get hacked the coins vanish at near lightning speed. > > I respectfully disagree.

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Luca Saiu wrote: > On 2017-12-27 at 09:59, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> (1) is there anyone who does NOT wish to put their own money into >> buying bitclub

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On 2017-12-27 at 11:25, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > How well guarded is the group? The biggest risk in these "markets" is > that if they get hacked the coins vanish at near lightning speed. I respectfully disagree. The biggest risk is that those "programs" actually shuffle investors' funds

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On 2017-12-27 at 09:59, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > (1) is there anyone who does NOT wish to put their own money into > buying bitclub shares who would like ME to sign them up, and, over the > next few weeks and months, PAY their membership AND pay for their > equipment. Me. You may

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > This sounds like a great opportunity. But I share Mike's questions. Can you > clarify what (1) and (2) mean and what's needed for us to pitch in? hiya pen-yuan, ha, bit of cross-over, i just replied to mike. (2)

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On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > 2017-12-27 10:59 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > Top note. You're writing like a TellSell ad. it happens - it's almost unavoidable at the quotes top level quotes :) the key difference

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This sounds like a great opportunity. But I share Mike's questions. Can you clarify what (1) and (2) mean and what's needed for us to pitch in? On 27/12/17 10:25, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: 2017-12-27 10:59 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : Top note. You're writing like a

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2017-12-27 10:59 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : Top note. You're writing like a TellSell ad. I get that you're exited and in need. But it's not boosting confidence. Also the worlds financial experts have a, perhaps healthy, fear of crypto currency's Although I think that

[Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

ok so the past couple of updates i sent out i mentioned that there's no longer sufficient funds in the current campaign to further pay accommodation or any other living expenses. thus it is *really important* that i find sources of funds, immediately. beyond that, i may have found something