Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-08 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:42 PM Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > >> [I don’t know if any Guix hackers have received an A20 board for porting > > i donated one to the key developers when i encountered them at fosdem 2017. Ah, great. I just chatted with that

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-08 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 03:38:59 + Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > it was quite hilarious to get up and running. > https://wiki.parabola.nu/MIPS_Installation - oh. discontinued. > that's not going to help *sigh*. You also have an ARM installation guide[1], however in your case that's

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 3:46 AM David Niklas wrote: > > the key one is, you have absolutely no idea if the host correctly > > generated the autoconf settings correctly or not. even running under > > qemu is not

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Eric Bavier
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 08:49:57 + Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:39 AM Julie Marchant wrote: > > > And as for 32-bit MIPS... just outta luck, I guess, at least until an > > FSF-approved distro starts supporting it. Until recently, GuixSD supported MIPS

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread David Niklas
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 15:36:33 + Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > regarding cross-compiling: if you've seen how openembedded uses > bitbake to do cross-compiling (which includes setting an automatic > qemu redirect of autoconf script running and even qemu-emulated gcc > running), you

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 10:42 PM Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > [I don’t know if any Guix hackers have received an A20 board for porting i donated one to the key developers when i encountered them at fosdem 2017. l. ___ arm-netbook mailing list

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Julie Marchant writes: > That being said, it's the FSF's rules, so Parabola is the only real > option regardless of what one might think of the FSF's classification. The EOMA68-A20 is an armhf board, isn’t it? Since GuixSD is available for armhf, porting it to this board should not be too

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On Friday 7. December 2018 16.28.24 Wookey wrote: > On 2018-12-07 15:24 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: > > Cross-building would be a workaround, but Debian appears fundamentally > > opposed to that, > > Do you mean 'as buildds'? I don't know. If that is the way the Debian archive is built then

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Wookey
On 2018-12-07 15:24 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: > Cross-building would be a workaround, but Debian appears fundamentally > opposed > to that, Do you mean 'as buildds'? Debian's support from cross-building has improved hugely over the last 8 years, and you can now crossbuild a _lot_ of debian.

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 1:11 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > There's also the fact that the wiki.debian.org includes several places > where they encourage users to install `non-free` packages. ohh. yeah. that won't help :) that would be viewed as "endorsement of the installation of non-free

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Just a note, the only way to add the non-free section in Debian > involves typing the word "non-free" into a particular spot on a text > file, or if using the GUI interface, to edit the entry for the Debian > repo to type "non-free" into the "Components" textbox in the "Edit > Source" dialog

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Pablo Rath
On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 09:38:43PM -0500, Julie Marchant wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > >> On 12/06/2018 01:39 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > the RYF Criteria are extremely specific: it's not enough to have a > > non-free section that's "disabled", it

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:39 AM Julie Marchant wrote: > And as for 32-bit MIPS... just outta luck, I guess, at least until an > FSF-approved distro starts supporting it. all 32-bit OSes are on the ropes, but not for the reason that most people think. it's down to the linker phase of binutils

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-06 Thread Julie Marchant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/06/2018 01:39 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:58 PM Paul Boddie > wrote: > >> Discussion can be had about the FSF criteria, of course, but >> since Luke is actually seeking such endorsement, the only thing

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-06 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:58 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > Discussion can be had about the FSF criteria, of course, but since Luke is > actually seeking such endorsement, the only thing that might be helpful for > him is to indicate to him that various FSF concerns are now addressed in the > more

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-06 Thread Paul Boddie
On Thursday 6. December 2018 09.58.51 Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: > On 2018-12-05 at 17:40:29 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: > > Of course, Debian supports everything of interest, but then there has to > > be a process of weeding out non-free packages and content. > > Note that this "process" simply

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-06 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2018-12-05 at 17:40:29 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote: > Of course, Debian supports everything of interest, but then there has to be a > process of weeding out non-free packages and content. Note that this "process" simply involves not adding the 'non-free' repository to /etc/apt/sources.list. It's

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:41 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > But if something is worth doing, even if not everyone agrees, why does anyone > need some kind of "sign off" from someone they've heard of? Just do what you > think is right or interesting or enjoyable or useful, already! I honestly > don't

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-05 Thread Paul Boddie
On Wednesday 5. December 2018 03.38.59 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > it was quite hilarious to get up and running. > https://wiki.parabola.nu/MIPS_Installation - oh. discontinued. > that's not going to help *sigh*. Yes, it seems that people got enthusiastic when Stallman started

Re: [Arm-netbook] What do 1,000 EOMA68-A20 PCBs look like?

2018-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:12 PM Paul Boddie wrote: > Hello, > > Nice to see the progress being made in the recent update: > > https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/what-do-1-000-eoma68-a20-pcbs-look-like > > It's a shame that you have to redo your Parabola bootstrapping. I