Re: [Arm-netbook] 100% Free? (was: Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console)

2016-10-18 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 10/17/16, Stefan Monnier  wrote:

> Both are problems w.r.t computer freedom and ethics.  But for some
> reason, most Free Software advocacy focuses on the "blob" part and turns
> a blind eye to the JS part.

 the FSF doesn't... FSF-Certified OSes afaiui require LibreJS to be
running as well as privacy-violating default search engines to be
removed.  duckduckgo i've seen available as the default in Parabola
browsers for example.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] 100% Free?

2016-10-17 Thread mdn
This is indeed a problem a problem but I think it's because most
inexperienced users (lambda users in french (sorry I don't know the work
for that in english) have the habit that "it's just works".

This is one of the biggest problems that we face, normal users.
I think that most people were forced to use computers and that is part
of why they don't want to change and they just want it to work without
thinking.

This is a pedagogical problem and like said before I am working on that
subject to create new approaches to make users understand, to build
bridges so that they can choose without mindlessly clicking next.

Le 17/10/2016 15:53, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
>>> FWIW, any distribution which comes with a browser that doesn't do
>>> something like LibreJS suffers from the same problem (or worse): users
>>> will download and run proprietary software without even being aware
>>> of it just by going to their favorite web sites.
>> This is true, although programs delivered via non-free Javascript are so
>> ubiquitous on the web and the demand for them so high the general practice
>> seems to be just letting the user have this Javascript as it is
>> expected behavior.
> 
> I know.  But similarly, most users expect to be able to use their wifi/gpu
> card regardless of where the firmware is stored ("in hardware" or "in a 
> blob").
> 
> Both are problems w.r.t computer freedom and ethics.  But for some
> reason, most Free Software advocacy focuses on the "blob" part and turns
> a blind eye to the JS part.
> 
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
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