[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Paul Whalen]

- Original Message -
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:26 PM Ben Cotton < bcot...@redhat.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:22 PM Paul Whalen < pwha...@redhat.com > wrote:
> > 
> > Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in
> > Fedora 32:
> > * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
> > * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
> > 
> Program Management is okay with this proposal, but ideally I'd like to
> see it go through the self-contained change process. Any chance you'd
> be okay with holding this until F33? In either case, FESCo will need
> to approve it, but it has my support.
> 
> Because there's no development to do, it's just a change in the blocking
> deliverables list, I think we can do it right away. Peter, Paul, can you
> please file a FESCo ticket?

Fesco Ticket - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2339

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[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Paul Whalen]

- Original Message -
> > > Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in
> > > Fedora 32:
> > >  * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
> > >  * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
> > >
> > Program Management is okay with this proposal, but ideally I'd like to
> > see it go through the self-contained change process. Any chance you'd
> > be okay with holding this until F33? In either case, FESCo will need
> > to approve it, but it has my support.
> 
> If QA is fine to continue to do all the QA on the current bits sure,
> in terms of engineering etc the feature is complete (and actually was
> going back a number of releases), this is really just a QA/process

There won't be much change in workload for QA, we're dropping one release
blocking desktop and adding another desktop that is also widely tested 
on x86_64. 

> change. Personally I'd like to get it done now and move on with life
> but it's mostly not going to affect me much either way so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Kamil Paral]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 7:26 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:22 PM Paul Whalen  wrote:
> >
> > Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in
> Fedora 32:
> >  * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
> >  * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
> >
> Program Management is okay with this proposal, but ideally I'd like to
> see it go through the self-contained change process. Any chance you'd
> be okay with holding this until F33? In either case, FESCo will need
> to approve it, but it has my support.
>

Because there's no development to do, it's just a change in the blocking
deliverables list, I think we can do it right away. Peter, Paul, can you
please file a FESCo ticket?
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[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Peter Robinson]

> > Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in 
> > Fedora 32:
> >  * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
> >  * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
> >
> Program Management is okay with this proposal, but ideally I'd like to
> see it go through the self-contained change process. Any chance you'd
> be okay with holding this until F33? In either case, FESCo will need
> to approve it, but it has my support.

If QA is fine to continue to do all the QA on the current bits sure,
in terms of engineering etc the feature is complete (and actually was
going back a number of releases), this is really just a QA/process
change. Personally I'd like to get it done now and move on with life
but it's mostly not going to affect me much either way so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM Paul Whalen  wrote:

>
> As discussed in the Fedora QA meeting today, below are the proposed
> changes to
> release blocking desktops on ARM.
>
> == Summary ==
>
> Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in
> Fedora 32:
>  * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
>  * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> In Fedora 32 we will have a couple new additions to release blocking
> deliverables
> including IoT and CoreOS. In order to reduce the overall test coverage and
> release
> blocking desktops we propose no longer blocking on the 32-Bit ARM Xfce
> Desktop spin,
> and adding Workstation on AArch64 as a release blocking desktop.
>
> Release blocking image changes:
> Drop: Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-Xfce-armhfp-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_-sda.raw.xz
> Add:
> Workstation/aarch64/images/Fedora-Workstation-aarch64-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_-sda.raw.xz
>
> Testing will still be completed on the 32-Bit ARM Xfce spin to ensure it
> continues
> to work, but any issues found will not block the overall release.
>
> For a full list of the current release blocking deliverables, visit the
> wiki[1].
>
> If you have any questions or concerns, please respond for further
> discussion.
>
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
> [1] - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/32/ReleaseBlocking
>
>
>
 I am +1 to the proposal from the QA side of things.


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[fedora-arm] Re: Proposal to change ARM Release Blocking Criteria - Drop XFCE (32bit), Add Workstation(64bit)

[Kamil Paral]

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:22 PM Paul Whalen  wrote:

>
> As discussed in the Fedora QA meeting today, below are the proposed
> changes to
> release blocking desktops on ARM.
>
> == Summary ==
>
> Proposed changes to the Desktop release criteria for ARM and AArch64 in
> Fedora 32:
>  * drop Xfce on 32-bit ARM from release blocking desktops
>  * add Workstation on AArch64 to release blocking desktops
>
> == Detailed Description ==
>
> In Fedora 32 we will have a couple new additions to release blocking
> deliverables
> including IoT and CoreOS. In order to reduce the overall test coverage and
> release
> blocking desktops we propose no longer blocking on the 32-Bit ARM Xfce
> Desktop spin,
> and adding Workstation on AArch64 as a release blocking desktop.
>
> Release blocking image changes:
> Drop: Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-Xfce-armhfp-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_-sda.raw.xz
> Add:
> Workstation/aarch64/images/Fedora-Workstation-aarch64-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_-sda.raw.xz
>

I'm not a part of ARM SIG so I don't get to vote. But as part of QA, I just
want to say that we're OK with that change. Workstation desktop already
gets full testing coverage on x86_64, so having it on the release blocking
it twice makes our life easier (compared to two different desktop
environments). We will need to figure out how complete testing we can
provide to aarch64 Workstation, but that will be part of a different
thread. For completeness, there's also this Workstation WG ticket [1] where
we talk about both parts (Workstation being blocking on aarch64, and the
level of QA we can provide).

[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/128
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