Re: Re : Re: Raspberry Pi5/500 "officially" supported?
Hi Guillaume,
Am 10.12.25 um 15:26 schrieb Guillaume GARDET:
You can use higher end systems such as:
* MINISFORUM MS-R1
https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-r1-workstation?variant=47289624690933
* Radxa Orion O6 https://radxa.com/products/orion/o6/
With the radxa I need to build a system -- find and buy a case, etc.
Things I stopped doing 20 years ago ;-) Also, they state "Debian 12
Native, Integrated with CIX P1 Kernel Package and Extensions" which
sounds like "frankenstein Kernel, good luck!" but I might be wrong.
The Minisforums is three times the price of the Pi500+ I ordered. Yes, I
get three times the number of cores and double the memory, but maybe
relative to the price, the performance is similar.
Also "*For the best experience, please use the official OS image until
the driver is merged into the main branch." => Frankenstein kernel.
Yes, they are more expensive, but also much more powerful (armv9+ with lots of
RAM, etc.) and with a proper EFI boot and a good upstream support.
Fpr the Raspberries, for me the proven track record of
raspberrypi.{org,com} in ways of supporting their stuff for a long time
is more convincing than the vague marketing on the other vendor's pages.
Maybe better to buy one of this higher end system instead of multiple RPi 5?
I just bought one, the pi500+ will replace the pi400 (and probably keep
the two pi4b's switched off more often ;-)).
In a few years, when I want to phase out the pi4b's, the situation might
be different and I might buy something else.
The good thing: I know today that I'll be able to use the pi's for other
hobby projects 5 years from now :-D
Best regards and thanks for the advice. It is appreciated, even if I did
not follow it this time :-)
Stefan
--
Stefan Seyfried
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over
public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
Re: Re : Re: Raspberry Pi5/500 "officially" supported?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 6:26 AM Guillaume GARDET wrote: > Hi Stefan, > > - Stefan Seyfried a écrit : > > Hi Torsten, > > > > Am 10.12.25 um 13:55 schrieb Torsten Duwe: > > > > > Knowing you and knowing the RPi5, I strongly suggest you have a look > at alternate > > > platforms; my personal favourites are rk3588 based; YMMV. > > > > > > The Pi5 NVME IF has only a single lane, which only works reliable at > Gen2 speed. > > > To compare, the Rock5B I'm currently typing to has a quad-lane Gen3. > The Rock 5B+ > > > splits that into 2x2 Gen3 if you prefer. There are some boards with > 2.5Gb Ether, > > > if you want to extend into NFS. The quad-core CPU is not bad, but the > current state > > > seems to be to add at least 4 more "little" cores, if not another 4 > medium-sized ones. > > > So long story short: the Pi5 might not be the best choice starting > already with the > > > hardware, let alone the documentation. > > > > I am biased here. > > > > Just last week, i put a raspi os on my first Raspberry Pi Model B, to > > use my RaspyRFM module for a POC decoding my wmbus watermeter. > > > > What do I want to convey with this nice story? > > With a Raspberry Pi I can, more than 10 years after it was initially > > sold, download a up-to-date OS image *from the original vendor* and use > it. > > > > All other ARM board vendors from boards I have, provide, if at all, a > > badly hacked together debian or ubuntu image with a frankenstein'd > > Kernel where you are lucky to find sources at all. You can download this > > image from some crazy google drive account or a dropbox link which might > > be available tomorrow -- or not. > > You can use higher end systems such as: > * MINISFORUM MS-R1 > https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-r1-workstation?variant=47289624690933 > * Radxa Orion O6 https://radxa.com/products/orion/o6/ > > Yes, they are more expensive, but also much more powerful (armv9+ with > lots of RAM, etc.) and with a proper EFI boot and a good upstream support. > https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/minisforum-stuffs-entire-arm-homelab-ms-r1 looking at Jeff's review I'm not sure how well supported they are, the ms-r1 I feel is not worth it until its supported by mainline kernel > > Maybe better to buy one of this higher end system instead of multiple RPi > 5? > > Cheers, > Guillaume > > > > > > Maybe this situation has changed, and 10 years from now I will be able > > to tell. Today, I continue to just use what worked well for me and > > that's Raspberry Pies. I'm too old to waste time with the cheap SOC of > > the day and I'd rather trade some performance for ease of use and > > hassle-free operations :-D > > > > Oh, just checked and found that the Rock5 would be significantly more > > expensive than the Raspi500+ I just ordered, so remove the "cheap" in > > the last sentence ;) > > > > My obsworkers have been running on a RPi400 and two RPi4B/8GB, all with > > USB-Connected SSDs, so replacing the 400 with the 500+ will be a welcome > > improvement, even if theoretically there would be more performant > > options available. > > > > Best regards, and thanks for your concerns, but I prefer to not follow > > your suggestion :-) > > > > Stefan > > > > (And yes, I know, the raspberry pi also needs frankenstein kernel hacks, > > the first model until today does not run right with a mainline kernel, > > this is why I use raspi os on it, but at least I can get a raspi os for > > it after > 10 years). > > -- > > Stefan Seyfried > > > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over > > public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman >
Re : Re: Raspberry Pi5/500 "officially" supported?
Hi Stefan, - Stefan Seyfried a écrit : > Hi Torsten, > > Am 10.12.25 um 13:55 schrieb Torsten Duwe: > > > Knowing you and knowing the RPi5, I strongly suggest you have a look at > > alternate > > platforms; my personal favourites are rk3588 based; YMMV. > > > > The Pi5 NVME IF has only a single lane, which only works reliable at Gen2 > > speed. > > To compare, the Rock5B I'm currently typing to has a quad-lane Gen3. The > > Rock 5B+ > > splits that into 2x2 Gen3 if you prefer. There are some boards with 2.5Gb > > Ether, > > if you want to extend into NFS. The quad-core CPU is not bad, but the > > current state > > seems to be to add at least 4 more "little" cores, if not another 4 > > medium-sized ones. > > So long story short: the Pi5 might not be the best choice starting already > > with the > > hardware, let alone the documentation. > > I am biased here. > > Just last week, i put a raspi os on my first Raspberry Pi Model B, to > use my RaspyRFM module for a POC decoding my wmbus watermeter. > > What do I want to convey with this nice story? > With a Raspberry Pi I can, more than 10 years after it was initially > sold, download a up-to-date OS image *from the original vendor* and use it. > > All other ARM board vendors from boards I have, provide, if at all, a > badly hacked together debian or ubuntu image with a frankenstein'd > Kernel where you are lucky to find sources at all. You can download this > image from some crazy google drive account or a dropbox link which might > be available tomorrow -- or not. You can use higher end systems such as: * MINISFORUM MS-R1 https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-ms-r1-workstation?variant=47289624690933 * Radxa Orion O6 https://radxa.com/products/orion/o6/ Yes, they are more expensive, but also much more powerful (armv9+ with lots of RAM, etc.) and with a proper EFI boot and a good upstream support. Maybe better to buy one of this higher end system instead of multiple RPi 5? Cheers, Guillaume > > Maybe this situation has changed, and 10 years from now I will be able > to tell. Today, I continue to just use what worked well for me and > that's Raspberry Pies. I'm too old to waste time with the cheap SOC of > the day and I'd rather trade some performance for ease of use and > hassle-free operations :-D > > Oh, just checked and found that the Rock5 would be significantly more > expensive than the Raspi500+ I just ordered, so remove the "cheap" in > the last sentence ;) > > My obsworkers have been running on a RPi400 and two RPi4B/8GB, all with > USB-Connected SSDs, so replacing the 400 with the 500+ will be a welcome > improvement, even if theoretically there would be more performant > options available. > > Best regards, and thanks for your concerns, but I prefer to not follow > your suggestion :-) > > Stefan > > (And yes, I know, the raspberry pi also needs frankenstein kernel hacks, > the first model until today does not run right with a mainline kernel, > this is why I use raspi os on it, but at least I can get a raspi os for > it after > 10 years). > -- > Stefan Seyfried > > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over > public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman
