Re: Justification of IP message dated Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:27:13+0200.

2000-07-27 Thread Luke Francl

Another Free Software enthusiast jumps into the fray...

Fortunately, my comments are rather shorter. ;) I realize I know little
about this topic, so I will keep my response to questions, and the things
I know.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sourav K. Mandal wrote:

  Pythagoras would rightly demand a fee for use of his theorem

 Mathematical theorems are not creative works -- they are statements
 about reality.  I will use Pythoagoras' theorem, and if he gives me
 crap about licensing, then I will rederive it (a relatively easy 
 proof) and call it the "Mandal Theorem of Half-Rectangles."  A 
 concurrent patent!

Ah, then you must at least disagree with IP regarding software, then? Or,
at least, patents on software methods, which are currenly illegal in
Europe, not not in America? Because any piece of software is nothing other
than a set of mathematically formulatable statements -- theorems, if you
will. See Turing Machines for more on this (oh, it's a lovely, exciting
topic... ;)

I can accept that you believe that the labor that went into creating that
software entitles it's creator to rights over it, but how do you feel on
patenting the method by which it is done? For example, some search
algorithms (which are the heart of computer science) have been patented --
even though they were provably the best way to do their task. There was no
way to implement an equal level of performance legally, because a certain
party claimed to own the math behind it. What do you think of software
patents? "Business method" patents? (For example, Amazon.com has patented
the idea of the "associates program" where participating websites get a
cut of anything bought at Amazon after following a link from their
site.)

Now, my questions:

I (and clearly Francois-Rene, too) are confused by your idea of
non-exclusive patents. How would this work?

Finally, why do you believe IP should belong to the author forever?
Surely, there's no motivation to create after you are dead!

Luke Francl,
mere student :)

P.S.: Francois-Rene, I've read about the TUNES project before. It sounds
fascinating! I hope your group succeeds.







Re: The Indeterminacy of Individual Economic Actions

2000-07-27 Thread Robin Hanson

Brian Doss wrote:
   My intuition agrees with you, at least given a five year time-scale.
   That is, if the default was to stay in SS, and people had to send in
   some form to opt out, then within a few years most people would, even
   though they won't do a similar think regarding their companies plan.
   This, with the default-as-informative-endorsement theory, suggests
   that people trust their government less than their company.

It's not necessarily an issue of less trust- it could be that people easily
see that SS is a poor investment (low or negative rate of return) and thus
decide to opt out. No doubt that some will opt out because of the trust
factor, but I think given the amount of information available on social
security, people would be making more informed choices than simply reacting
to gut "I dont trust you" instincts.

Let us say that "opt out" means that you don't get any benefits, and your
contribution is reduced down to the level required to maintain the current
inter-generational redistribution.  This is what I had in mind, but should
have said.

Robin Hanson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hanson.gmu.edu
Asst. Prof. Economics, George Mason University
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RE: Baseball salary caps?

2000-07-27 Thread Brian Doss


On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:47:16 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I remember Bob Barro had an unusual take on salary caps. He suggested
that
  an athletes' output is determined by his performance relative to the
  performance of other athletes not by his absolute level of performance.
In
  increasing his (their) own performance, an athlete (a team) lowers other
  athletes (teams) output. Investing in skills that raise performance thus
  produces a neagtive externality. 

I believe that it is in the nature of people to judge their well being
relative to the well being of those around them- which is why we can tend to
feel "poor" even in the midst of material affluence. This feeling, however,
does not reflect reality- because I feel poor does not mean I am materially
worse off (or bad off). So long as I produce at the same level, nothing has
changed in my case except that person B now has (or can do) more. 

What is being described here is natural competition, not a "negative
externality"- someone gets better at producing good or service A, giving
that person an advantage. So long as nobody else matches that advantage,
wealth will accrue to that advantage, and everyone else will fail to make a
profit. This is what drives normal businesses to continue innovating, etc
etc.

The negative externality argument here seems to be an apology for
mediocrity/stagnation, and a defense of protectionism.

Competitively determined wages provide an
  incentive for teams and players to overinvest in skills and the socially
  optimal wage is in fact lower than the competitive wage. 

"Socially optimal wage"?

Barring interference with the market, the competitive wage IS the socially
optimal wage. One needs, then, to look for reasons why the wage is higher
than it "should" be- i.e. where are wages being artificially raised and
subsidized. It is rather ridiculous to suggest that the free market wage
could maintain itself at a higher than optimal rate without subsidy.
  
Brian Doss





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