academic journals

2002-06-21 Thread John Samples
I have taken the liberty of changing the subject line since the discussion seems to have shifted. Given that this is the Armchair list, what would economists make of an industry that works like this: A firm (the university) hires employees (professors) to make products (articles) that are

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Robin Hanson
William Sjostrom wrote: > > I agree that academia wastes vast resources relative to the goal of seeking > > truth, but I disagree that this implies a market failure, mainly because I > > don't think the ultimate customers fundamentally want truth. In fact, I > > think customers in part want fadd

Re: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Peter J Boettke
Well, yes it is a dependent variable, but the point is to change the consumer --- we talk too much to ourselves, how about if we were forced to talk to a different audience -- say the everyman (as Hazlitt or Dan Klein suggest) or the policy maker (as is the case in transition economies and develop

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread CyrilMorong
Bill Sjostrom wrote: "Clearly, there are journals that exist solely as outlets for economists at little teaching colleges to get in the one or two papers they need for tenure, for no obvious reason." What are some examples of those journals? Also, what are some good lines of research or question

Re: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Alex Tabarrok
Robin probably regrets using the word "cheap" in regard to entry as this has clearly confused some people. As Robin later pointed out he meant "cheap" to mean the journal industry approximates the economic concept of free entry (more than many other industries we all think of as competiti

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread William Sjostrom
> I agree that academia wastes vast resources relative to the goal of seeking > truth, but I disagree that this implies a market failure, mainly because I > don't think the ultimate customers fundamentally want truth. In fact, I > think customers in part want faddism and cults of personality. Po

RE: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread John Samples
I wonder if entry is cheap. To effectively enter this market, you have to do more than edit articles and print copies of the journal. You have to attract valued contributions and thereby, readers. I believe contributors send articles to journals on the basis of their brand name. How can a journ

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Peter J Boettke
Wait a minute Alex, I am not sure that journal organization has little to do with the professional organization in the university. Change the nature of the way resarch is published and presented and the research game will change within the academy. Journals are like the arbiter of the rules that

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Peter J Boettke
OK Robin so you want to say that consumer wants not truth or relevance but signals about smartness. Then our profession is doing a decent job, but the opportunity cost of this is huge. Economics is a particularly relevant discipline for public policy and social understanding. I believe there our

RE: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Michael Etchison
Robin Hanson: Michael E. Etchison wrote: > >an industry (academic journals) where . . . entry is cheap > >>As a non-academic, I have to wonder -- if getting in is so cheap, why is getting a copy so expensive?<< >Standard armchair econ question, really. Yes, I know, and I know what "we'd susp

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Alex Tabarrok
Pete writes "We go through an entire process of being cultured to the ways of the profession called graduate school and especially the process of writing a dissertation and getting a job. Then you get more of that as an assistant professor -- especially if you are at a top 20 research university.

Re: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Robin Hanson
Bryan D Caplan wrote: > > Here we have an industry (academic journals) where concentration > > is low, entry is cheap, and most firms use the same production > > technology (referees with veto power), even though an alternate > > technology (editors pick) has long been tried, and is easy to try. >

Re: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread john hull
Peter J Boettke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "have a central posting service and then judge articles on how much they are downloaded..." Wouldn't that just give the incentive to write interesting titles and abstracts so that the papers will be downloaded? "Damn the content! I just want to be downl

Re: Not such a fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Robin Hanson
Peter J. Boettke wrote: >... But the bottom line problem with this >entrepreneurial hope in the market for academic economics is that we don't >have institutions that serve the functions analogous to property, prices and >profit and loss. The standard story is that authors have a property right i

RE: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Robin Hanson
Michael E. Etchison wrote: > >an industry (academic journals) where . . . entry is cheap > >As a non-academic, I have to wonder -- if getting in is so cheap, why is >getting a copy so expensive? Standard armchair econ question, really. If prices are going up, and quantity is going up, we'd susp

Re: fantastically entertaining paper

2002-06-21 Thread Peter J Boettke
I like Bryan's coordination failure idea --- we have a sort of peacock feathers problem. This is born out, I believe, in the evidence on how much the average article in the AER is read. The idea that the AER is the "best" journal as Bryan said a coordination issue. This is why I like one version