Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-17 Thread AdmrlLocke
I would agree that not every government infringement of liberty warrants the label socialist, although on a larger level a rose by any other name still has thorns. It's ironic, however, that Tom chose pension reform as an example to illustrate the point that not all government infringement of

RE: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-17 Thread Grey Thomas
Sorry, David, you misunderstood me (or at least what I thought I meant). I first tried to point out that gov't money was one thing, not so much socialism. But SS is something else -- I guess I should have said most folks would agree that social security is a form of socialism, but would add that

Re: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon

2003-06-17 Thread AdmrlLocke
Thanks for the clarification Tom. I do agree that government money, as it predates socialism, probably doesn't rightly fall under the category of socialism. I wonder though if most folks would agree that social security is socialism. Americans don't like to admit that they like socialism.

RE: Wage-Price Controls Under Nixon -- pension reform

2003-06-17 Thread Grey Thomas
Yes, many feel that, since they contributed, they should get the benefits. This lie is pernicious. All politicians should be stating that the money paid in has already gone out -- and money received by retired folks now is money taxed by current workers. On the other hand, that's also not sooo

socialism historical?

2003-06-17 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: government money, as it predates socialism, probably doesn't rightly fall under the category of socialism. Does the meaning of socialism include a time frame, so that a policy that is socialist after that time is not socialist before that time? What is socialism,

Health insurance for kids

2003-06-17 Thread Jeffrey Rous
When I was in grad school, my wife's health insurance policy through work allowed an employee to add a spouse for $1000 per year (I cannot remember the exact numbers, but these are close) or add a spouse and children for $2000 per year. And it didn't matter whether you had 1 child or 10. Since

Re: Health insurance for kids

2003-06-17 Thread Fred Foldvary
Now I work for the state of Texas and my policy is set up similarly. Adding my wife costs $150 per month and adding any number of children costs $120 per month. And her policy at a law firm is also structured the same way. How can this be rational? -Jeffrey Rous Find out whether the

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-17 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
Political labels are notoriously contextual. The passage of a few years renders many labels unintelligible. However, there is something more interesting to say. Political parties frequently co-op specific policies, which distorts our association of a label with a policy. Example: the two

Re: Health insurance for kids

2003-06-17 Thread dlurker
Otherwise, perhaps people feel a social obligation to help support children in the society. This behavior might also be for PR purposes. If some textile worker is laid off b/c their labor is more expensive than foreign they might not be as likely to play the part of Marxian victim of

Re: socialism historical?

2003-06-17 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 07:41:45PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Socialism developed in the early and mid-19th century as a rejection of classical liberalism, Wrong. You seem to confuse the concept of socialism with the word socialism. Just like classical liberalism can be traced back to