Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-14 Thread AdmrlLocke

In a message dated 7/14/03 1:40:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As a sidelight, I've noticed several father/daughter teams amoung
lawyers, and the hardware retailer 88 Lumber is run by a
father/daughter team (and it's not because the father doesn't have
sons; he does).

And speaking of famous father/daughter teams there are the Hefners.  :)

DBL



Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-14 Thread AdmrlLocke

In a message dated 7/14/03 9:16:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 There are zero licensing requirements for farming.
 Eric

Are there no federal permits and grandfathering in agriculture?

Fred Foldvary

The federal government imposes a host of rules and regulations on farming, 
everything from wetlands regulations to grandfathered agricultural payment in 
kind programs.



Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-13 Thread Robert A. Book
 In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together
 full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training
 requirements.  Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've
 found more father/son teams here than in any other type of job.  All
 of those jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites (electricians have to
 pass journeyman and master-level tests; lawyers have the bar and law
 school, etc).  Why is that?


I'm not sure this is actually true.  Eric Crampton mentioned farming
as a non-licensed procession with lots of father-son teams, and I'd
add retailing -- more so in the time before chain stores, but to some
extent even now.  Don't you remember all the stores with names like
George Johnson  Sons?


 Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or mother/son? 
  Or father/daughter?


You'd have to adjust the frequency of these teams to the percentage
of women in each profession and see if the percentage of such teams
involving women is more or less than what you'd expect based on the
percentage of women in the profession.

As a sidelight, I've noticed several father/daughter teams amoung
lawyers, and the hardware retailer 88 Lumber is run by a
father/daughter team (and it's not because the father doesn't have
sons; he does).


--Robert



Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-11 Thread Eric Crampton
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, John Perich wrote:

 
 In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together
 full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training
 requirements.  Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've

There are zero licensing requirements for farming.  I'd lay even money
that farming would be in the top 5 professions on a proportion of
father-son teams scale.

Eric





Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-11 Thread zgocheno
 In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together 
 full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training 
 requirements.  Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - 
 I've found more father/son teams here than in any other type of 
 job.  All of those jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites 
 (electricians have to pass journeyman and master-level tests; 
 lawyers have the bar and law school, etc).  Why is that?

As Eric pointed out, farming is also a profession where fathers and sons usually work 
together: in addition to what was named:  Carpenting, construction, medicine, 
mechanics, etc.  This is a social phenomenom much older than government licensing; it 
spans eras and cultures.  I'd say rather than licensing requirements, fathers and sons 
often work together in vocations with specialized training requirements.  Sons often 
learn this trade from their fathers and grow up in an environment where respect for 
this trade is fostered and encouraged.

Often in these professions, people must work together in teams and use very 
specialized knowledge to be successful.  A family bond is a good way to reduce search 
costs for good employees.  Vocational training is combined with father-son bonding for 
further reduction in the cost of training.  In other types of jobs that require less 
specialized training, the benefits of working with/for your father are typically much 
smaller.

 Also - why is it more often father/son, and not 
 mother/daughter or mother/son?  Or father/daughter?

In general, women do not go in to these types of professions.  Sons tend not to follow 
in the footsteps of their mothers for obvious reasons.  Mother-daughter professional 
relationships are less common because there are far fewer female professionals in 
these fields - but consider mother/daughter relationships in housewifery, modeling, 
beauty pageantry, etc.

- Zac Gochenour
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-11 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2003-07-10, John Perich uttered to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together
full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training
requirements.

That's an interesting one. My first stab is that we might go about it the
other way. Why do such professions need strict licencing? One explanation
would be that these professions are crafts where the best way to learn the
job is to do it. In such professions we wouldn't expect there to be strict
outcome based criteria on what one needs to know, but we do know that a
certain learning process is more successful than others. So, if we want to
assure safety and efficiency, we can't just test for an applicant's skills
-- there'd be a problem with information. Thus the market orients itself
along the learning process, the uncertainty about the outcomes makes the
professions more amenable to legislative intervention, and the eventual
legislation then follows the process oriented reasoning.

Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or
mother/son?  Or father/daughter?

Perhaps self-selection in occupations, so that parent/child combinations
with different sexes do not benefit from intergenerational knowledge
transfer? That leaves the mother/daughter pairing. Perhaps that's because
of self-selection into lines of work which are less crafty?
-- 
Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111
student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front
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Re: Family Businesses and Licensing

2003-07-11 Thread John Morrow
Another interesting question might be how does the distribution of income 
of children of people in these professions vary conditional on whether they 
go into their parents line of work controlling for socioeconomic status, 
etc.  I would gamble there are a disproportionate number of people centered 
around their parents profession's wage, with most coming from the lower end 
of the income spectrum -- in other words I am speculating that most of the 
additional wage from these professions comes from rote training and 
experience rather than other factors, although it seems also that the 
professions you mention all seem to also be of the very small business 
type, so the parents business might be an endowment much of which is only 
capturable if a child operates it, and as I believe small business 
operators are largely male (for whatever reasons, cultural or otherwise), 
that might explain some of the gender business, no pun intended.

At 08:56 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:

In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together 
full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training 
requirements.  Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've found 
more father/son teams here than in any other type of job.  All of those 
jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites (electricians have to pass journeyman 
and master-level tests; lawyers have the bar and law school, etc).  Why is 
that?

Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or 
mother/son?  Or father/daughter?

-JP

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