Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
In a message dated 7/14/03 1:40:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a sidelight, I've noticed several father/daughter teams amoung lawyers, and the hardware retailer 88 Lumber is run by a father/daughter team (and it's not because the father doesn't have sons; he does). And speaking of famous father/daughter teams there are the Hefners. :) DBL
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
In a message dated 7/14/03 9:16:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are zero licensing requirements for farming. Eric Are there no federal permits and grandfathering in agriculture? Fred Foldvary The federal government imposes a host of rules and regulations on farming, everything from wetlands regulations to grandfathered agricultural payment in kind programs.
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training requirements. Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've found more father/son teams here than in any other type of job. All of those jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites (electricians have to pass journeyman and master-level tests; lawyers have the bar and law school, etc). Why is that? I'm not sure this is actually true. Eric Crampton mentioned farming as a non-licensed procession with lots of father-son teams, and I'd add retailing -- more so in the time before chain stores, but to some extent even now. Don't you remember all the stores with names like George Johnson Sons? Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or mother/son? Or father/daughter? You'd have to adjust the frequency of these teams to the percentage of women in each profession and see if the percentage of such teams involving women is more or less than what you'd expect based on the percentage of women in the profession. As a sidelight, I've noticed several father/daughter teams amoung lawyers, and the hardware retailer 88 Lumber is run by a father/daughter team (and it's not because the father doesn't have sons; he does). --Robert
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, John Perich wrote: In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training requirements. Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've There are zero licensing requirements for farming. I'd lay even money that farming would be in the top 5 professions on a proportion of father-son teams scale. Eric
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training requirements. Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've found more father/son teams here than in any other type of job. All of those jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites (electricians have to pass journeyman and master-level tests; lawyers have the bar and law school, etc). Why is that? As Eric pointed out, farming is also a profession where fathers and sons usually work together: in addition to what was named: Carpenting, construction, medicine, mechanics, etc. This is a social phenomenom much older than government licensing; it spans eras and cultures. I'd say rather than licensing requirements, fathers and sons often work together in vocations with specialized training requirements. Sons often learn this trade from their fathers and grow up in an environment where respect for this trade is fostered and encouraged. Often in these professions, people must work together in teams and use very specialized knowledge to be successful. A family bond is a good way to reduce search costs for good employees. Vocational training is combined with father-son bonding for further reduction in the cost of training. In other types of jobs that require less specialized training, the benefits of working with/for your father are typically much smaller. Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or mother/son? Or father/daughter? In general, women do not go in to these types of professions. Sons tend not to follow in the footsteps of their mothers for obvious reasons. Mother-daughter professional relationships are less common because there are far fewer female professionals in these fields - but consider mother/daughter relationships in housewifery, modeling, beauty pageantry, etc. - Zac Gochenour [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
On 2003-07-10, John Perich uttered to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training requirements. That's an interesting one. My first stab is that we might go about it the other way. Why do such professions need strict licencing? One explanation would be that these professions are crafts where the best way to learn the job is to do it. In such professions we wouldn't expect there to be strict outcome based criteria on what one needs to know, but we do know that a certain learning process is more successful than others. So, if we want to assure safety and efficiency, we can't just test for an applicant's skills -- there'd be a problem with information. Thus the market orients itself along the learning process, the uncertainty about the outcomes makes the professions more amenable to legislative intervention, and the eventual legislation then follows the process oriented reasoning. Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or mother/son? Or father/daughter? Perhaps self-selection in occupations, so that parent/child combinations with different sexes do not benefit from intergenerational knowledge transfer? That leaves the mother/daughter pairing. Perhaps that's because of self-selection into lines of work which are less crafty? -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
Re: Family Businesses and Licensing
Another interesting question might be how does the distribution of income of children of people in these professions vary conditional on whether they go into their parents line of work controlling for socioeconomic status, etc. I would gamble there are a disproportionate number of people centered around their parents profession's wage, with most coming from the lower end of the income spectrum -- in other words I am speculating that most of the additional wage from these professions comes from rote training and experience rather than other factors, although it seems also that the professions you mention all seem to also be of the very small business type, so the parents business might be an endowment much of which is only capturable if a child operates it, and as I believe small business operators are largely male (for whatever reasons, cultural or otherwise), that might explain some of the gender business, no pun intended. At 08:56 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: In my informal experience, fathers and sons tend to work together full-time only in professions with strict licensing or training requirements. Electricians, lawyers, realtors and even CPAs - I've found more father/son teams here than in any other type of job. All of those jobs have fairly rigid prerequisites (electricians have to pass journeyman and master-level tests; lawyers have the bar and law school, etc). Why is that? Also - why is it more often father/son, and not mother/daughter or mother/son? Or father/daughter? -JP Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.comThe New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.