Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-16 Thread Fred Foldvary
Hence the rise in the value of a painting is zero-sum for society. can't the same can't be said of the appreciation in any tangible asset, such as real estate? David Yes. The point is to differentiate a change in net worth due to appreciation from a change of net worth due to saving

Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-16 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- William Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Economic income is consumption plus the change in net worth Not in national income and product accounts. Right. National income accounts track *accounting* income, not *economic* income. The economic meaning of income is the Haig-Simmons

Re: Savings Rates -- asset/house prices -blogs

2002-08-12 Thread AdmrlLocke
1980s when the US economy looked poor compared to (at least some of the) western European economies that national savings rates were calculated without regard to homeowners' equity. Since, as I understood it, (western) Europeans were much less likely to own homes than are Americans, if you

Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-12 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/12/02 2:42:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William Dickens wrote: Gale and Sabelhaus do not answer the question that you ask but they do look at the question of whether savings rates are low if we define savings as change in wealth rather than income minus

Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-12 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- William Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: look at the question of whether savings rates are low if we define savings as change in wealth rather than income minus consumption. Economic income is consumption plus the change in net worth (c.n.w.), so Savings = income - consumption Savings

Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-12 Thread William Dickens
You can check the article but that is my memory (I'm at home now and can't check the article myself). When they added capital gains in real estate and equities to the flow of savings to get change in wealth they got high savings rates. - - Bill William T. Dickens The Brookings Institution 1775

Re: Savings Rates

2002-08-12 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/12/02 5:57:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One might also want a separate category of savings which excludes non-reproducible assets such as paintings or land value, since, for example, if the value of a painting rises, this is an increase in the net worth of the owner,