Re: Taliban Tipping Game

2001-11-15 Thread Alexander Guerrero

You left out of the game the AlQaida, taliban's financer, and main employer
o taliban bureaoucrats. Furthermore, taliban have their stronghool between
pashtuns etnia, to which thy belong, but there already taliban's oposition
didn they first play, on the same dya that taliban moved to Khandahar, their
sacred city.
Alexander Guerrero

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From: fabio guillermo rojas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:40 AM
Subject: Taliban Tipping Game



 Armchair game theory: Does anybody here think that the war
 in Afghanistan can be characterized as a tipping game?
 Conscripted Taliban soldiers and residents of Taliban
 controlled areas could either support the Taliban or not,
 and are waiting for somebody else to move first. The first
 victory last week was signalled Taliban weakness, leading
 to a chain of defections and the eventual collapse of the
 regime.

 Any other game theoretic interpretations of this
 weeks events?

 Fabio





Re: Taliban Tipping Game

2001-11-15 Thread Alex Tabarrok

Here is a chunk of William Saletan's analysis from Slate,  It is very
supportive of Fabio's tipping interpretation.

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058705

Alex

In the north, the Taliban's enemies failed to advance. In the south,
they failed to speak up. The American press suggested that the war had
bogged down, that the United States had underestimated the Taliban,
and that the U.S.-led coalition was falling apart. Complaints of
futility and pointless bloodshed grew into an outcry to halt the
bombing. 

Then, last Friday, Mazar-i-Sharif fell. The Taliban's aura was
punctured. In accelerating succession, other cities fell. War can't move
that fast. It takes days to move your own tanks and troops, much less to
push back the enemy's. But even in Afghanistan, the information age has
arrived. What traveled from city to city in minutes wasn't the armies of
the Northern Alliance, but the news of the Taliban's defeat. Civilians
and Taliban soldiers who had resented the regime lost their fear of it.
Those who had supported the regime lost their confidence in it. Taliban
armies didn't lose their cities in battle; they defected or fled. Each
flight or defection, in turn, provoked others. Sell, sell, sell. 

Now the rout has turned south. Pashtun warlords who refused to stand up
to the Taliban a week ago are rushing to claim pieces of its carcass.
Some Taliban troops fleeing cities are being wiped out by U.S. bombers.
Others are regrouping in the mountains, forgetting that they lack the
supply lines and popular support to win the kind of guerrilla war they
waged against the Soviets. The rest, according to today's New York Times
and Washington Post, are fading away, disappearing, vanishing,
dissipating, becoming phantoms, and returning to their home
villages. 

Morale matters. The army that loses self-confidence and the confidence
of its people loses the war. 

-- 
Dr. Alexander Tabarrok
Vice President and Director of Research
The Independent Institute
100 Swan Way
Oakland, CA, 94621-1428
Tel. 510-632-1366, FAX: 510-568-6040
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Taliban Tipping Game

2001-11-14 Thread fabio guillermo rojas


Armchair game theory: Does anybody here think that the war
in Afghanistan can be characterized as a tipping game?
Conscripted Taliban soldiers and residents of Taliban
controlled areas could either support the Taliban or not,
and are waiting for somebody else to move first. The first
victory last week was signalled Taliban weakness, leading
to a chain of defections and the eventual collapse of the 
regime. 

Any other game theoretic interpretations of this
weeks events?

Fabio




Re: Taliban Tipping Game

2001-11-14 Thread jim horsman

i have nothing to add, but a reading suggestion
tullock's war and revolution ca 1974
just an amazing book that talks about all of these issues.  


- Original Message - 
From: fabio guillermo rojas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:40 PM
Subject: Taliban Tipping Game


 
 Armchair game theory: Does anybody here think that the war
 in Afghanistan can be characterized as a tipping game?
 Conscripted Taliban soldiers and residents of Taliban
 controlled areas could either support the Taliban or not,
 and are waiting for somebody else to move first. The first
 victory last week was signalled Taliban weakness, leading
 to a chain of defections and the eventual collapse of the 
 regime. 
 
 Any other game theoretic interpretations of this
 weeks events?
 
 Fabio