Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-19 Thread john hull
Ooops! In my original message I intended to apologize for my characterization of the group as a bunch of "New Agers," and indicate that I had a lot of trouble finding a succenct word or phrase that would fit in the title and get attention, at the cost of being hyperbolic. They're good people, and

Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-19 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2004-01-19, Kevin Carson uttered: >>By competition. And how does that arrive at this solution? Simply by >>depreciating below their labor value the commodities which are by reason >>of their quality or quantity useless or unnecessary, ...and in making >>the producers feel, ...that they have man

Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-19 Thread Kevin Carson
[Note--I believe I sent this to John Hull instead of to the list. I apologize. If it's already been posted, my apologies for the duplication as well] I think they're operating on the same variant of the labor theory of value that inspired the labor note systems of the Owenites and Josiah Warren.

Re: How do I convince New Agers that not everybody should get the same wage?

2004-01-19 Thread Kevin Carson
[Note: I mistakenly sent the last two messages to John Hull, instead of to the list. Sorry] How is it a "market distortion" if no coercion is used? It seems to me that any form of voluntary exchange is maximizing the preferences of the participants as they see them. To set up a superior standar