Re: Laffer Curve (fwd)

2005-04-29 Thread Robert A. Book
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congress imposed something like a 100% tax on luxury boats (as I recall, as part of the tax hike of 1990), and found that they collected zero revenue from the tax. So we do have empirical evidence that higher marginal tax rates can produce less revenue. It was only

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-29 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/29/05 2:05:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: It's funny, during the 1970s people commonly attributed the excellent rates of economic grown in Taiwan and Hong Kong to the "Confusion work ethic" while completely ignoring the poverty of the

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-23 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/23/05 4:42:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter C. McCluskey wrote: Mancur Olson claims in his book Power and Prosperity that the marginal income tax rate was effectively zero. The effective taxes were near 100% of what a typical worker in any given position could

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-22 Thread Bryan Caplan
Yes. It suffers a bit from the historians' If you don't have a document, it didn't happen bias, but it's good. Anton Sherwood wrote: Speaking of Communism, is The Black Book worth having? I saw several copies yesterday at a secondhand store in San Leandro, marked about $8 if memory serves. --

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-22 Thread Peter C. McCluskey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Taking the example of Stalin's war on the peasantry in general and the Ukraine in particular, we see that massive confiscations of income at marginal rates well in excess of 100% certainly detered economic activity, to put it rather mildly. Mancur

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-22 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/22/05 9:55:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: istribution.   The real question, according to McCloskey, is not why does Germany have only 75% of US per capital GDP, but why does Bangledesh have only 5% of US per capital GDP.   People in the

Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread Bryan Caplan
I think Bill accidentally sent this to me privately instead of the list. Subject: Re: Laffer Curve From: William Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:31:33 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll bite. I completely agree with Bill in the short-term. Higher taxes raise revenue. But I

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread rex
And I have a sneaking suspicion that more equitable distributions of income lead to less social conflict and rent seeking and lead to higher growth. I wonder what the Laffer Curve would have to say about the tax rates and equitable distributions of income and lesser or greater social conflict

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/21/05 1:37:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   By one measure, there is a big difference,  in per capita GDP taking into account purchasing power parity. From the OECD site, in 1999 the U.S. had a per capita GDP of $33,836. Germany, France, UK, Italy were all between

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/21/05 1:38:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I have a sneaking suspicion that more equitable distributions of income lead to less social conflict and rent seeking and lead to higher growth. Unlike you I can point to some theoretical and empirical studies that back my

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/21/05 12:26:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I have a sneaking suspicion that more equitable distributions of income lead to less social conflict and rent seeking and lead to higher growth. I wonder what the Laffer Curve would have to say about the "tax&q

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread Stephen Miller
to feed the cities and export. At least that's my recollection from Conquest. Of course, productivity growth in agriculture was very low afterwards, fitting my long-run Laffer curve story! -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread Anton Sherwood
Speaking of Communism, is The Black Book worth having? I saw several copies yesterday at a secondhand store in San Leandro, marked about $8 if memory serves. -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread James Wells
the cities and export. At least that's my recollection from Conquest. Of course, productivity growth in agriculture was very low afterwards, fitting my long-run Laffer curve story! -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread Stephen Miller
It's not as funny when you explain it... On Apr 21, 2005, at 9:51 PM, James Wells wrote: That's the trouble with the empirical testing of Laffer effects. Your selected timeframe has an inverse relationship with the revenue maximizing rate of taxation. The tax policy that maximizes revenue over

Re: Dickens on the Laffer Curve

2005-04-21 Thread James Wells
If you ever wondered which end of the ideological spectrum was a humorless lot... Stephen Miller wrote: It's not as funny when you explain it... On Apr 21, 2005, at 9:51 PM, James Wells wrote: That's the trouble with the empirical testing of Laffer effects. Your selected timeframe has an inverse

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-20 Thread Robert A. Book
I'm just wondering if it is even possible for the supply and demand curves to be shaped shaped in such a way that the Laffer curve does not apply to some market. Since you asked... Take an income tax and the very standard constant elasticity formulations for demand and supply

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-20 Thread Bryan Caplan
There are lots of reasonable objections to raising taxes. You can decide that you don't think that tax revenue is put to good uses. You can believe that ethically taxation is theft. But there is no reasonable argument (at least none that I've seen) that tax increases in any range we've seen in

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-20 Thread William Dickens
Does the following have any bearing on the Laffer Curve discussion? Hammermesh estimated that a 10-percentage point reduction in payroll taxes would lead to a short-term 3 percent increase in employment and a long-term 10 percent increase in employment United States. It sure does. A ten

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-19 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 4/19/05 12:43:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For what it's worth, I recall a Treasury study in the late 1980s that concluded that the tax cut of 1984 was 95% self-financing. David Do you have a citation for that study (or a copy)? If "95% self-financing" means what it

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-19 Thread William Dickens
I'm just wondering if it is even possible for the supply and demand curves to be shaped shaped in such a way that the Laffer curve does not apply to some market. Since you asked... Take an income tax and the very standard constant elasticity formulations for demand and supply (they are called

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-19 Thread William Dickens
reasonable. However, I wasn't trying to answer the question of what the true revenue maximizing tax rate is. Rather I was responding to the questioner who wanted to know if there was any supply and demand system that didn't yield a Laffer curve and I was showing that the very standard log-linear

Laffer Curve

2005-04-18 Thread James Wells
derive R = t(bc + da - bdt)/(b + d) Still, a lot of people have said that the Laffer curve is bunk. Are there any Laffer detractors here? If so, what must the supply and demand curves for labor look like for R(t) to be an always increasing (or at least never decreasing) function? James

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-18 Thread AdmrlLocke
= tQ     Supply curve: Qs = a + bPs     Demand curve: Qd = c - dPd You can derive     R = t(bc + da - bdt)/(b + d) Still, a lot of people have said that the Laffer curve is bunk.  Are there any Laffer detractors here?  If so, what must the supply and demand curves for labor look like for R(t

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-18 Thread Xianhang Zhang
= c - dPd You can derive R = t(bc + da - bdt)/(b + d) Still, a lot of people have said that the Laffer curve is bunk. Are there any Laffer detractors here? If so, what must the supply and demand curves for labor look like for R(t) to be an always increasing (or at least never decreasing

Re: Laffer Curve

2005-04-18 Thread Jeffrey Rous
, the peak was at about 75%-80%). I think it gets considerably more interesting when you think of how taxes and growth can be endogenous. It is possible that even on the near side of the Laffer curve, a tax cut could cause a large enough increase in investment that the DPV of future revenue could