Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:27:13+0200." message dated "Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:22:30 -0500."

2000-07-27 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
"Luke Francl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: > > > Pythagoras would rightly demand a fee for use of his theorem > > > > Mathematical theorems are not creative works -- they are statements > > about reality. I will use Pythoagoras' theorem, and if he gives me > > crap about licensing, then I will re

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:27:13+0200."

2000-07-27 Thread Luke Francl
Another Free Software enthusiast jumps into the fray... Fortunately, my comments are rather shorter. ;) I realize I know little about this topic, so I will keep my response to questions, and the things I know. On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sourav K. Mandal wrote: > > Pythagoras would rightly demand a fe

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:43 +0200." message dated "Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:57:45 +0200." message dated "Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:43:45 +0200."

2000-07-26 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
"Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: >I admit I'm curious what you think about the on-going flamewar > about IP on the list. Do you have opinions and meta-arguments about > our discussion? Are we ignoring some obvious argument? > Is all the fuss relevant to the list at all? If n

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:43 +0200." message dated "Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:57:45 +0200."

2000-07-26 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
Dear Armchair economists, I admit I'm curious what you think about the on-going flamewar about IP on the list. Do you have opinions and meta-arguments about our discussion? Are we ignoring some obvious argument? Is all the fuss relevant to the list at all? If not, we can stop (or continue via

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:43 +0200." message dated "Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:57:45 +0200."

2000-07-25 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
To Francois-Rene: On exclusion v. first-right: I agree with you that exclusion and first-right are different but not necessarily contradictory concepts. Indeed, the nature of an apple is to be exclusive, while the nature of digital data is to be non-exclusive. However, the basis of propert

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:43 +0200."

2000-07-25 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
Dear Sourav, dear Armchair Economists, I've cut through the previous argument and went directly to the summary, for everyone's benefit. >: Sourav K. Mandal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Anyway, in summary: > > We have not resolved our dichotomy on the general concept of > property, let alone IP. You

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:24:43 +0200."

2000-07-24 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
WORD TO OTHER LIST SUBSCRIBERS: If you don't wish to ram through several kilobytes of argumentation, scroll to the bottom for my quickie summary on the debate. "Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: > On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:58:11AM -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote: > > > one ha

Re: Justification of IP

2000-07-24 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:58:11AM -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote: > one has the unenviable task of proving a negative > in order to make a definition stand on its own legs. Uh? On the contrary, one has to prove a _positive_ in order to make a definition stand on its own legs. That's a well-known

Re: Justification of IP message dated "Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:27:13 +0200."

2000-07-24 Thread Sourav K. Mandal
"Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: > Let me quote what Bastiat says in "Property and Law": > http://bastiat.org/en/property_law.html > [The romans, and other looters after them] > had to have recourse to a purely empirical definition of property > -- jus u

Re: Justification of IP

2000-07-23 Thread Francois-Rene Rideau
On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 05:37:30PM -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote: > So, at your request, I will now dive into a wretched morass of > conflicting ethical principles and white-hot rhetoric. > Definition of Property (two parts): > 1. Something that some sentient entity (individual or collective) >