Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-26 Thread Kevin Carson
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Carson wrote: They are indeed two entirely different cases. The latter case, of welfare state concessions, is productively examined in Piven and Cloward's *Regulating the Poor*. To a certain extent, the welfare state is something forced on the

RE: Kolko 40 Years Later -- homelessness data?

2003-06-20 Thread Grey Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This of course presumes that the welfare state reduces homelessness and starvation

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later -- homelessness data?

2003-06-20 Thread AdmrlLocke
In all fairness, I didn't claim that welfare does increase homelessness, though I suspect that it does, but merely pointed out that the statement seemed to presume--or that in any case people supporting welfare often presume--that it decreases homelessness. As for emprical research, I second

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread Kevin Carson
From: Bryan Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Carson's remarks on Kolko reminded me that I recently reread Kolko and had some comments to share. Just for background: Kolko's *Triumph of Conservatism* was written largely as a left-wing attack on mainstream liberalism. Kolko's message was that

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/19/03 6:28:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability. This of course presumes that the welfare state reduces homelessness and starvation

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread Anton Sherwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This of course presumes that the welfare state reduces homelessness and starvation rather than

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread Kevin Carson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/19/03 6:28:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability. This of course presumes that the welfare state reduces

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/19/03 10:28:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/19/03 6:28:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political

Re: Kolko 40 Years Later

2003-06-19 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 6/19/03 9:40:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main good it provides is a negative one, that of keeping homelessness and starvation to a low enough level to prevent political instability. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This of course presumes