Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

OK, I'm setting the day and time for the next ASDF debugging session to Tuesday January 2nd 2018 at 14:00 EST (19:00 UTC). Please send me a private email if you can make it, I'll add you to a Google Calendar event with a Hangout invitation. —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection•

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Robert Goldman wrote: > On 4 Dec 2017, at 21:56, Faré wrote: > >> Fixing the same potential issue with the (more stable but still >> evolvable) code in the core of ASDF will require applying the same >> solution to action.lisp all files that

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

In the future, when debugging something like this, where the environment into which you are loading code is of critical importance, and an ASDF issue is suspected, I suggest the following: On the various implementations, do whatever you need to do to prepare to load the system that exhibits

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On 20 Dec 2017, at 19:48, Faré wrote: It looks like there is a bug in ASDF 3.3 worth definitely worth fixing before I leave: https://bugs.launchpad.net/asdf/+bug/1739514 Basically, ASDF fails spuriously rebuilds misnamed secondary systems and/or things that depend on them, instead of just

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On 4 Dec 2017, at 21:56, Faré wrote: Fixing the same potential issue with the (more stable but still evolvable) code in the core of ASDF will require applying the same solution to action.lisp all files that define new operations. Will you please clarify this sentence? It looks like some

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Ken Tilton wrote: > But I am curious, I will first try to see why uninstall did not work. When you first install Quicklisp, it will download the latest dist. A dist is, among other things, a list of URLs pointing to project snapshots that are

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

Well, the cffi loaded by ql is: beta.quicklisp.org/archive/cffi/2015-09-23/cffi_0.16.1.tgz The list of beta releases at https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/releases.html shows 0.19.0 Uninstalling and reinstalling pulled down cffi_0.16.1 again. I'll have to look at a manual override. On Tue, Dec

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

Thanks for the info. But Ceramic just built on the same windows laptop under ccl64. Maybe the asdf AllegroCL provides is getting in the way? I will look also at tossing cffi just to get a fresh start. -kt On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Faré wrote: > >> Error: OPERATION

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

Why not make a backup and update all of quicklisp? Mixing and matching software of vastly different versions can never be supported. This is a hell of your own making. —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection• http://fare.tunes.org Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics. — old

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

>> Error: OPERATION instances must only be created through MAKE-OPERATION. >> >> [condition type: FORMATTED-SYSTEM-DEFINITION-ERROR] > > > Is that an ASDF issue? Ceramic? ACL? cffi-grovel (the system being built > when the error is thrown)? > You need a fresher version of cffi-grovel. Update your

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

My second attempt at a live session was also ultimately a failure: there were interruptions, the rhythm was slow with lots of side issues, the microphone was unplugged at one point, etc., and it all lasted way too many hours with lots of down time. Happily, none of the two anonymous spectators

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

Well, after realizing one hour into the debugging session that I needed to click on a button "Start Broadcast" to go live, I'm going to reschedule the event, starting at 14:00 EST (19:00 UTC). Sorry. —♯ƒ • François-René ÐVB Rideau •Reflection• http://fare.tunes.org How small of all that human

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

After a kernel downgrade, I have painfully managed to get streaming to Youtube Live Events working. https://www.youtube.com/my_live_events I'm tentatively scheduled an event at 10:00 EST (15:00 UTC) on next Monday December 4th 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kq-73Cjn08 I'll be using

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

I assume the software installation you need is just Chrome. Looks like Hangouts on Air is now called YouTube Live. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7083786?hl=en > On Nov 28, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Faré wrote: >

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

2017-11-28 20:09 GMT+01:00 Julian Squires : > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 01:32:05PM -0500, Faré wrote: >> [...] If people are interested, I could do the entire >> debugging session over Google Hangouts, from isolating the bug and >> filing a bug report to writing

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Bob Cassels wrote: > I assume the software installation you need is just Chrome. Looks like > Hangouts on Air is now called YouTube Live. > > https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7083786?hl=en > My Youtube Live dashboard tells me I

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Julian Squires wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 01:32:05PM -0500, Faré wrote: >> [...] If people are interested, I could do the entire >> debugging session over Google Hangouts, from isolating the bug and >> filing a bug report to

Re: ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

That would be great. One question, would you please record the hangout and share it? (I have some work things that are making my schedule unpredictable for the next few weeks). I believe you can record hangouts to YouTube. Thanks Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:32, Faré

ASDF debugging on Hangouts?

Dear CLers, with ASDF 3.3.1 released and the syntax-control branch pending review, there's not much left for me to do with ASDF before I actually retire. Now I'm looking for hackers to whom to pass the torch of ASDF hacking. It so happens that I seem to have introduced (probably with 3.3.0) a