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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Kalam's speech, a travesty of scientific temper and ethics
From: Sankar Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: The President again
From: "S.G. Vombatkere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. 58 Years of Independence- 'A Wonder that is India'
From: pulak barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: The President again
From: "S.G. Vombatkere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:37:05 +0100 (BST)
From: Sankar Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kalam's speech, a travesty of scientific temper and ethics
I think we should tell the President that he has
been doggedly defending the river-linking
concept although this is far from his area of
experience. Let's tell him pointblanc that this
is a travesty of scientific temper and ethics.
Sankar Ray
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The President again
From: "devashischatterjee"
2. Re: Public hearing
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. [PraxisNews] Indian President APJ Abdul Kalam
calls for implement river-linking project with a
'sense of urgency'
From: BanglaPraxis
4. 15 August Protest: Press Release
From: "crbijoy"
5. 15 August Protest: Press Release
From: "crbijoy"
6. Re: Discussion meeting on Teesta river, August 12, 2005
From: "Debasish De"
7. Re: The President again
From: Himanshu Thakkar
8. President Kalam parrots ILR , PM ignores it
From: "riverswatch2003"
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:43:51 -0000
From: "devashischatterjee"
Subject: The President again
Well, friends, the President is back centre
stage, even as Parliamentary Standing Committee
(PSC) debates
go on, he again sees it as the solution to all problems, by
correcting the mistakes of nature or of God.
Devashis Chatterjee
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:45:05 +0530
From: "S.G. Vombatkere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The President again
Friends,
# Not only is it ILR to the fore once again, but
also about permitting more testing of drugs on
animals (which will promote pharmaceutical
research that benefits MNCs but not poor people,
thanks to WTO).
# For floods in Bihar and Assam (and equally in
Mumbai or Gujarat), Dr.Kalam has advocated ILR!
How can a scientist/engineer overlook the simple
argument that flood in Ganga and B'putra that
rages at 50,000 and 60,000 cumecs cannot be
relieved by a canal that conducts away a mere
1,500 or 2,000 cumecs? Or not understand that
the expressways and rail embankments (and also
canals) are obstacles to the natural drainage of
the land and cause disaster due to flood water
NOT flowing away? The answer to those questions
is the blind, unscientific faith that our
science education in schools gives to children,
that S&T can solve all problems, without
understanding that S&T causes its own set of
problems that are often worse that the problem
that they are meant to solve. The thermodynamic
law of entropy needs practical interpretation
into other fields, ...
# In his Independence Day speech that entirely
focussed on science and technology aspects,
Dr.Kalam said, " ... rainfall and floods are
annual features in many parts of the country."
We need to thank God that they are annual
features. We NEED rainfall and we NEED flood,
and that too annually! But what we do NOT need
and do NOT want is the DISASTER due to floods.
Disaster due to flood is caused or accentuated
by interference of man-made structures like
river embankments (or road embankments and rail
embankments without thought to adequate
cross-drainage) with the natural drainage of the
land. Proponents of our so-called "modern"
methods of blind application of technology
argue that if "x" quantity of something is good,
then "1000x" of that same thing is 1,000 times
as good. They fail to see that if the ill effect
of "x" is "y", the ill effect of "1000x" mostly
cannot be accurately assessed (especially when
human and other intangible factors come into
play) and is often more than "1000y" or
sometimes less. This is a typical problem in
non-linearity.
# In the context of road and rail embankments
that do not have adequate cross-drainage (noting
that adequate cross-drainage affects the
financial viability of the project) , I am
reproducing below, a very interesting bit of
news that Shri Sanjay M.G. of NAPM sent to me
regarding the Mumbai floods.
""Western Express highway from Mumbai to
Ahmedabad is proved to be blockade to the
natural water flow, and caused heavy flooding in
nearby villages. 55 flyovers in Mumbai caused
obstacle to the drainage. Our famous Bal
Thackeray of ShivSena who inaugurated Western
Express highway in the past and laid the
foundation stone of Bandra Worli sea link bridge
in Mumbai faced water flooding in his posh house
upto first floor. No security could stop this
water. No so-called brave and dashing Shiv
Sainiks came to rescue their boss. Finaly the
nearby fisher people who were displaced due to
Bandra Worli sea link came with boats and he was
taken through the boat over the Western Express
highway which had got converted into a lake!""
# Many of the vocal proponents of modern
technology have little respect for life (plant,
animal or human) and are interested in
developing anti-life, anti-planet technologies
like nuclear weapons and their delivery systems.
They dream of populating Mars with humans while
increasing millions of humans on Earth are
getting a raw deal that worsens by the day. They
dream of making Mumbai into a Shanghai or
Bangalore into a Singapore and say nothing of
90,000 slum dwellings demolished in Mumbai. They
countenance the export of foodgrains (at a
profit to build up a balance of FE) and deny
that people starve in India - those foolish
people are used to eating mango kernels,
according to Mr.Patnaik, CM of Orissa. They want
to make India shine while Bharat goes down the
sewers.
Jai Hind!!
Sudhir Vombatkere
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From: devashischatterjee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: [riverlink] The President again
Well, friends, the President is back centre
stage, even as Parliamentary Standing Committee
(PSC) debates
go on, he again sees it as the solution to all problems, by
correcting the mistakes of nature or of God.
Devashis Chatterjee
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:58:49 +0100 (BST)
From: pulak barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 58 Years of Independence- 'A Wonder that is India'
Title : 58 Years of Independence- 'A Wonder that is India'
(Posted by IDC Editor On 14 August, 2005)
Article :
The Spirit of Freedom is going to be celebrated
once again today. Once again in synchrony our
hands will rise to Salute the Champions of
Freedom Struggle who brought us Independence
from the British rule. There is a generation in
India in whom, the spirit of independence and
patriotism is visible in their respect and
participation in the flag hoisting ceremony.
There is also a Generation, who celebrate the
Spirit of Patriotism in a very different way.
Patriotism to them means 'work' towards making
India the best in all fields. One can see the
brightness in every Indian's eyes and a sense of
pride, irrespective of age, caste, creed, gender
on hearing the song:
'Jahaan daal-daal par,
sone kii chidiyaa karati hai baseraa
vo bhaarat desh hai meraa
jahaan satya, ahinsaa aur dharm kaa
pag-pag lagataa Deraa
vo bhaarat desh hai meraa
.
.
alabelon ki is dharati ke
tyohaar bhi hai alabele
kahin deevaali ki jagamag hai
kahin hain holi ke mele
jahaan raag rang aur hansii khushi kaa
chaaro aur hai gheraa
vo bhaarat desh hai meraa
.
.
jahaan daal-daal par,
sone kii chidiyaa karati hai baseraa
vo bhaarat desh hai meraa
.'
Years ago A.L.Basham, a renowned historian had
written a historical version titled: 'A Wonder
that was India'. Taking the lines with a twist
lets try to celebrate A Wonder that India is!
Unity in diversity; culture and simplicity, yet
grandeur and celebration; development and
progress in multi-spheres, India has emerged as
a powerful and significant nation in the world
today. Its role in world politics and democratic
initiatives in nations has been widely
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celebrated nations of Asia, India has stood by
the neighboring nations in the times of turmoil
and adversity and has been acknowledged as a
strong pillar of strength and support.
Our achievements in the field of Science and
Technology, Sports, Economy, Entertainment, etc
tell a long story of struggle, creativity,
knowledge and recognition.
A sense of pride emerges at what we achieved,
but there is remise to sadness and bitterness
when the horrifying scenes of Tsunami, the
floods in Gujarat and Mumbai; violence in
Kashmir and the Northeast, come to mind. If
natural calamities have taken scores of lives
and left the land and people in shatters, the
human force, has not been any kind to life and
environment. Sarsika Tigers, water crisis in
states, terrorism and violence, crime and
corruption have given us reasons to wonder if we
are moving towards development and making
progress in the 'right direction'. Are we in
true spirits Independent? Can every common
man/woman live a life of peace and freedom from
corruption, violence, poverty and disease? No!!!
We still have to set our goals and achieve a lot
on these scales. Are we ready for making a
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This Independence Day lets vow to celebrate
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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:47:20 +0530
From: "S.G. Vombatkere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The President again
Dear Himanshu,
I do not think Dr.Kalam needs a speech writer,
being the author and poet that he is said to be.
However, I have my reservations on the
capability of his advisors ...
Sudhir Vombatkere
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From: Himanshu Thakkar
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [riverlink] The President again
yes, and it is amazing that his speech writer or advisors did not remind him
that the if river links were to have been implemented, the situation would
have gone worse in the flooded states he mentioned in his speech. For, the
flooded central gujarat was to get more water from the south Gujarat (Paar
Tapi Narmada link) and the Krishna basin (main cause of floods in rural
Maharashtra, Karnataka and AP) was to get MORE water from other basins.....
Amazing lack of information and understanding of hydrology.
Himanshu
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: [riverlink] The President again
> Well, friends, the President is back centre stage, even as Parliamentary
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