I work regularly with Steve. It is, and has been, a please and a delight.
I've always respected his views, many of which I agree with.
Sharuff
smo...@uk.ibm.com
Date:Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:35:36 -0400
From:Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com
Subject: Re: Macros -- was: EDit mask for
Probably best to ignore certain individuals who rather seem to like to be
insulting, but of course not personally. On the whole they don't do much for
most discussions, other than beating their own drum.
I think Steve is talking about different people/groups basically doing their
own thing and
And there is the rub: ... if documented, maintained and supported by training
and management guidelines. Too many shops have no such support system in
place, nor the requisite team to perform the documentation and maintenance.
IOW no one wants to pay for a programmers' tools team.
I have
I think you hit something on the head, but not what you expected.
Why should there be a tools team? The main programmers know what they
need and usually can write the tools they need. They can also maintain
the doc.
But, everybody wants someone else to do it.
Good programmers want to be
I don't totally disagree with you, but the problem is that without good
standards and some architectural concept behind them such small macros start to
multiply, there are different versions, copies, recreation of existing things
because someone didn't look (or care) that something was already
Where is the programmer manager during all this? Did he not bother to do
even a basic code review? It looks like he did not control his people so
things went down fast.
Tony Thigpen
-Original Message -
From: David Stokes
Sent: 07/23/2014 11:05 AM
I don't totally disagree with you,
I would contend that in a large shop (hundreds of programmers) with
geographically and time-zone dispersed development teams and ever-tightening
project schedules, a central tools team and tool support system is needed.
Otherwise there is no synergy towards the ultimate business goal of
IBM Mainframe Assembler List ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU wrote on
07/23/2014 11:38:50 AM:
I would contend that in a large shop (hundreds of programmers) with
geographically and time-zone dispersed development teams and ever-
tightening project schedules, a central tools team and tool
