Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo (was: Small explanation of txgain rx gain statement please)

2005-12-16 Thread Steve Davies
On 12/15/05, Colin Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any experience in this area? Any ideas? How heavy handed would it be to increase the tap length to 256? I have not seen anyone suggest that this might be a good idea. On my PRI, 256 made things bad, super echo-y. Moving

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Rich Adamson
I am beginning to wonder whether what echo IS heard is being caused by packetisation delays in the network - The default tap length is 128, or I believe 16ms. If something in the PSTN causes a delay more than that length (no idea what might cause that) then echo would still be heard. We

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Florian Overkamp
Rich Adamson wrote: We have found that a relatively innocent change by the local incumbent operator has forced us to modify our pstn gateways to change from 128 taps to 256 taps. What type of a change did they make? Although it's a bit unclear how things evolved exactly (since no-one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Rich Adamson
We have found that a relatively innocent change by the local incumbent operator has forced us to modify our pstn gateways to change from 128 taps to 256 taps. What type of a change did they make? Although it's a bit unclear how things evolved exactly (since no-one ever tells

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Friday 16 December 2005 08:12, Florian Overkamp wrote: Although it's a bit unclear how things evolved exactly (since no-one ever tells us), a number of interconnection points throughout the country were consolidated, significantly increasing the chance that delay exceeded 128 taps. I need

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Florian Overkamp
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Friday 16 December 2005 08:12, Florian Overkamp wrote: Although it's a bit unclear how things evolved exactly (since no-one ever tells us), a number of interconnection points throughout the country were consolidated, significantly increasing the chance that delay

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Florian Overkamp
Rich Adamson wrote: Strange... I would never had expected consolidation to have that kind of impact. It almost sounds like they have something in the E1 data stream that buffers (and delays) content, maybe decoding and re-encoding in some fashion. Well, the problem is the difference between

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Friday 16 December 2005 09:02, Florian Overkamp wrote: Well, the problem is the difference between keeping under 16ms and sliding _just_ over limit to 18ms would make the effect audible almost immediately. We used the sangoma echospike tools to measure the delay and adjusted our taps

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Rich Adamson
Well, the problem is the difference between keeping under 16ms and sliding _just_ over limit to 18ms would make the effect audible almost immediately. We used the sangoma echospike tools to measure the delay and adjusted our taps accordingly. Sangoma echospike tools? Please elaborate!

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-16 Thread Florian Overkamp
Hi Rich, Rich Adamson wrote: Sangoma echospike tools? Please elaborate! See sangoma's -users posting from Dec 13th, which I quote: I just wanted to let you know that we do provide a tool to debug echo. We send a unit impulse and record the Finite Impulse Response (FIR) so it can be

[Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo (was: Small explanation of txgain rxgain statement please)

2005-12-15 Thread Steve Davies
On 12/15/05, Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just looking at: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/content/docbook/current/docs-html/x1695. html regarding echo canceller tuning, and I noticed the statement Most people find that they need an rxgain level around

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo (was: Small explanation of txgain rxgain statement please)

2005-12-15 Thread Rich Adamson
I was just looking at: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/content/docbook/current/docs-html/x1695. html regarding echo canceller tuning, and I noticed the statement Most people find that they need an rxgain level around 8.0 to have good echo cancellation. The

RE: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo (was: Small explanation of txgain rx gain statement please)

2005-12-15 Thread Colin Anderson
Does anyone have any experience in this area? Any ideas? How heavy handed would it be to increase the tap length to 256? I have not seen anyone suggest that this might be a good idea. On my PRI, 256 made things bad, super echo-y. Moving back to 128 works good 99% of the time, for me.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] E1 Echo

2005-12-15 Thread Florian Overkamp
Hi, Rich Adamson wrote: I am beginning to wonder whether what echo IS heard is being caused by packetisation delays in the network - The default tap length is 128, or I believe 16ms. If something in the PSTN causes a delay more than that length (no idea what might cause that) then echo would