Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-10 Thread Mark Phillips
What codecs are you using? You should be able to get quite a few speex channels or even a load of 729 or gsm channels down your 256K. Mark WipeOut said: Simon Coles wrote: --On Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:49 am + Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the crunch (1.5/512) ...

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-10 Thread Michael T Farnworth
Mark Phillips wrote: What codecs are you using? You should be able to get quite a few speex channels or even a load of 729 or gsm channels down your 256K. Mark You always have to remember that a UK ADSL line has a contention ratio of 20:1 if you have business ADSL or 50:1 if you have the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-10 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:41:00PM +, Michael T Farnworth wrote: Mark Phillips wrote: What codecs are you using? You should be able to get quite a few speex channels or even a load of 729 or gsm channels down your 256K. You always have to remember that a UK ADSL line has a contention

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-10 Thread John Fraizer
Steve Kennedy wrote: It't not quite that simple, DSL in the UK is PPPoATM, so you need to take into account who IP is encoded at the ATM layer etc. If you're using a reasonable bit rate codec, you can't really expect to get much more than 1 voice channel out of an ADSL service (assume something

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-10 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 04:40:38PM -0500, John Fraizer wrote: Steve Kennedy wrote: It't not quite that simple, DSL in the UK is PPPoATM, so you need to take into account who IP is encoded at the ATM layer etc. If you're using a reasonable bit rate codec, you can't really expect to get much

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-09 Thread Dave Cotton
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 08:36, WipeOut wrote: Simon Coles wrote: --On Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:49 am + Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the crunch (1.5/512) ... it's actually the 512 which is relevent. We haven't set it all up yet, but for our new UK office we've

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-09 Thread tan
: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done? On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 08:36, WipeOut wrote: Simon Coles wrote: --On Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:49 am + Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the crunch (1.5/512) ... it's actually the 512 which is relevent. We

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-08 Thread Simon Coles
--On Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:49 am + Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the crunch (1.5/512) ... it's actually the 512 which is relevent. Virtually all DSL in the UK is a wholesale product from BT (they have about 2 million customers, Easynet who local loop unbundle may have

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-08 Thread WipeOut
Simon Coles wrote: --On Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:49 am + Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the crunch (1.5/512) ... it's actually the 512 which is relevent. Virtually all DSL in the UK is a wholesale product from BT (they have about 2 million customers, Easynet who local loop

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Senad Jordanovic
Steve Kennedy wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:10:11PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: Steve Kennedy wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 06:23:08PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: You could port your numbers to a licenced telco... Install SDSL (or even ADSL if you have a lot of faith in your

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 07:08:29PM -0600, Michael Graves wrote: I have disagree about the ADSL. I have a1.5 Mbit/512kbit service from Covad (in the US Southwest) and I have sustained 4 calls without a problem. I prefer to use GSM over G.711to squeeze it down, but that is my choice. I don't

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Matt Riddell
We do 4 per adsl with gsm every day. Matt - Original Message - From: WipeOut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done? | Steve Kennedy wrote: | | On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 07

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Senad Jordanovic
Matt Riddell wrote: We do 4 per adsl with gsm every day. Who is your ADSL provider? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread WipeOut
] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done? | Steve Kennedy wrote: | | On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 07:08:29PM -0600, Michael Graves wrote: | | | | I have disagree about the ADSL. I have a1.5 Mbit/512kbit service from | Covad

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done ?

2004-03-02 Thread Low, Adam
I've done a fare amount of analysis on codec bandwidth requirements and you should remember that you typically will require more bandwidth over ADSL than you would over any other technology. I estimate a requirement of around 108Kb (on the wire) per G.711 channel rather than 86kb over straight

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Matt Riddell
Telecom (In New Zealand) :-) Matt - Original Message - From: Senad Jordanovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done? | Matt Riddell wrote: | We do 4 per adsl with gsm

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done ?

2004-03-02 Thread David Uzzell
Low, Adam wrote: I've done a fare amount of analysis on codec bandwidth requirements and you should remember that you typically will require more bandwidth over ADSL than you would over any other technology. I estimate a requirement of around 108Kb (on the wire) per G.711 channel rather than 86kb

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done ?

2004-03-02 Thread Low, Adam
So for us Dummies out here :) who just know it works. Yep, it sure does, I thought it was something people might find interesting. Its certainly been a challenging subject for me to try and provide reliable and high quality voice service over ADSL. In my experience it seems to depend a hell of

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:04:23AM +, WipeOut wrote: On the UK DSL using G.711 you should easily get 2 concurrect calls, G.711 uses about 84k(incl overhead) in each direction, so 2 calls would be 168K (of the 256k) It all to do with running IP/ATM (BT's ADSL is all over ATM) and how the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:40:25AM +, WipeOut wrote: Like I said you should be able to easily do 6 when using GSM.. I have done 2 concurrent iLBC through IAX calls over a 64k ISDN link.. :) ISDN is a 64K symmetrical system, ADSL is assymmetrical ... that's where the problems occur, and

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done ?

2004-03-02 Thread John Fraizer
David Uzzell wrote: So for us Dummies out here :) who just know it works. This would mean that if you had a 512/256 aDSL and a 256 ISDN connection you would be able to have more channels over the ISDN? David It all depends on what excapsulation your aDSL uses. It boils down to encapsulation

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-02 Thread Matt Riddell
Although there have also been times that with 2 concurrent calls we get dropped packets - Original Message - From: Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done

[Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Angel Gabriel
I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four for international calls, and one for local/mobile calls. We have just obtained another call carrier, and now we would like to be able to make calls from any phone to any carrier, without having to remember what details to tap into

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread NetOne Administrator
Angel Gabriel wrote: I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four for international calls, and one for local/mobile calls. We have just obtained another call carrier, and now we would like to be able to make calls from any phone to any carrier, without having to remember what

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Ernest W. Lessenger
At 08:51 AM 3/1/2004, you wrote: I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four for international calls, and one for local/mobile calls. We have just obtained another call carrier, and now we would like to be able to make calls from any phone to any carrier, without having to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread WipeOut
Angel Gabriel wrote: I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four for international calls, and one for local/mobile calls. We have just obtained another call carrier, and now we would like to be able to make calls from any phone to any carrier, without having to remember what

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread info-lists
Angel Gabriel said: I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four for international calls, and one for local/mobile calls. We have just obtained another call carrier, and now we would like to be able to make calls from any phone to any carrier, without having to remember what

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Angel Gabriel
- Original Message - From: NetOne Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done? Angel Gabriel wrote: I have 5 BT phone lines coming into my office. We use four

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread William Waites
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 05:32:34PM +, WipeOut wrote: Currently connecting more than 3 analog lines to asterisk can be problematic unless you get hold of a channelbank (not that availible in the UK).. Of course there is a 12 port configurable FXS/FXO blade from VoiceTronix /w --

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 06:23:08PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: You could port your numbers to a licenced telco... Install SDSL (or even ADSL if you have a lot of faith in your current provider) and get all lines working throught SDSL.. :) You prabably should keep one BT line for fax and/or

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Senad Jordanovic
Steve Kennedy wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 06:23:08PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: You could port your numbers to a licenced telco... Install SDSL (or even ADSL if you have a lot of faith in your current provider) and get all lines working throught SDSL.. :) You prabably should keep one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:10:11PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: Steve Kennedy wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 06:23:08PM -, Senad Jordanovic wrote: You could port your numbers to a licenced telco... Install SDSL (or even ADSL if you have a lot of faith in your current provider) and

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Small office requirements - Can this be done?

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Graves
I have disagree about the ADSL. I have a1.5 Mbit/512kbit service from Covad (in the US Southwest) and I have sustained 4 calls without a problem. I prefer to use GSM over G.711to squeeze it down, but that is my choice. I don't feel that call quality is substandard. Michael On Tue, 2 Mar 2004