Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-29 Thread Denis Smirnov
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:42:57PM -0600, Colin Anderson wrote: CA> I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the CA> switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches What switches you mean? How they named? -- JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 58417

Re[2]: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-29 Thread Alessio Focardi
Hi, Ciao I have a bunch (> 30) 320's connected to HP switches, fw version 6.0.4 They work great but occasionally they where signalling the warning "network cable disconnected". Monday, May 29, 2006, 10:38:09 AM, you wrote: TC> Guido Hecken wrote: >>> I looked long and hard at the LAN and i

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-29 Thread Tommaso Calosi
Guido Hecken wrote: I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches de-aggregate a Cisco Catalyst switch. What I noticed was that any phone plugged direcly into the Catalyst did *not* lock

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-29 Thread Guido Hecken
> On Fri, 26 May 2006, Guido Hecken wrote: > > We had the same problems with some cheap LevelOne Switches. > > The Snoms rebooted during a call, calls dropped etc. > > Replacing the switches was the solution. > > A switch should NEVER cause ANY device to lockup, ever. Period. > If a phone locks up

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-28 Thread asterisk
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Remco Barende wrote: There is just no valid reason why the phone would need to lockup or reboot even if the network connection would be problematic, no matter what. That is just poor design, not a feature. I agree 100%. No device should ever lockup or reboot due to a margi

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-28 Thread asterisk
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Rich Adamson wrote: Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Blaming the 3com switch is very likely to be the wrong root cause. High probability the 3com was not configured properly for the phone. Just curious - what configuration issues did you have in mind? A partial list of issu

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-28 Thread asterisk
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Guido Hecken wrote: We had the same problems with some cheap LevelOne Switches. The Snoms rebooted during a call, calls dropped etc. Replacing the switches was the solution. A switch should NEVER cause ANY device to lockup, ever. Period. If a phone locks up / reboots due to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Colin Anderson wrote: More cowbell? Shit, you owe me a new keyboard! Funniest thing I've *ever* read on the list. I've experienced the auto-negotiate issue with Snom's before. I forgot to mention that we make it part of our standard install to force 100baseT-full. I've also noticed the Catal

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Remco Barende wrote: On Fri, 26 May 2006, Rich Adamson wrote: You mean that 3Com switches are not to be regarded as decent switches? At least Snom could have put some remark then that you need a certain brand of switches. If 3Com is not good enough for the phones I would have bought differen

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Olivier Krief
>From my point of view, using cheap or expensive switch is not the point.The point is "what kind of switch implementation Snom phones require ?".Up to now, it seems that problems relate to auto-negociation. Would it be possible for anyone to check that, comparing fixed and auto-negociated behaviour

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Remco Barende
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Rich Adamson wrote: You mean that 3Com switches are not to be regarded as decent switches? At least Snom could have put some remark then that you need a certain brand of switches. If 3Com is not good enough for the phones I would have bought different phones. Blaming th

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Colin Anderson
>More cowbell? Shit, you owe me a new keyboard! Funniest thing I've *ever* read on the list. I've experienced the auto-negotiate issue with Snom's before. I forgot to mention that we make it part of our standard install to force 100baseT-full. I've also noticed the Catalyst does the spanning-tre

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Andrew D Kirch wrote: Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Blaming the 3com switch is very likely to be the wrong root cause. High probability the 3com was not configured properly for the phone. Just curious - what configuration issues did you have in mind? - Mike Replacing it with a Catalyst?

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Blaming the 3com switch is very likely to be the wrong root cause. High probability the 3com was not configured properly for the phone. Just curious - what configuration issues did you have in mind? A partial list of issues that we've seen in the last 12 years

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Blaming the 3com switch is very likely to be the wrong root cause. High probability the 3com was not configured properly for the phone. Just curious - what configuration issues did you have in mind? - Mike Replacing it with a Catalyst? Andrew __

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches de-aggregate a Cisco Catalyst switch. What I noticed was that any phone plugged direcly into the Catalyst did *not* l

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Blaming the 3com switch is very likely to be the wrong root cause. High probability the 3com was not configured properly for the phone. Just curious - what configuration issues did you have in mind? - Mike ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Ea

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Jerry Jones
I would like to suggest using any managed switch and hard setting the ports to 100/full I have found that the auto negotiation algorithm is generally to blame on many switches. As an example, connecting a cisco router to a netgear/dlink/3com/etc will geneerate errors on the cisco interfac

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Rich Adamson
Remco Barende wrote: On Fri, 26 May 2006, Dave Cotton wrote: On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 10:11 +0200, Remco Barende wrote: Thanks for your input! Previously I was using Nortel 10/100 switches, I replaced them some weeks ago with 3C16479 gbit switches. The phones are connected directly to the gbi

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches de-aggregate a Cisco Catalyst switch. What I noticed was that any phone plugged direcly into the Catalyst did *not* lock up or reboot. Any phone plugge

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Remco Barende
On Fri, 26 May 2006, Dave Cotton wrote: On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 10:11 +0200, Remco Barende wrote: Thanks for your input! Previously I was using Nortel 10/100 switches, I replaced them some weeks ago with 3C16479 gbit switches. The phones are connected directly to the gbit switches. By coinciden

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Dave Cotton
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 10:11 +0200, Remco Barende wrote: > Thanks for your input! > > Previously I was using Nortel 10/100 switches, I replaced them some > weeks ago with 3C16479 gbit switches. The phones are connected directly to > the gbit switches. By coincidence I dit notice on one phone tha

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Guido Hecken
> > I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the > switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches > de-aggregate a Cisco Catalyst switch. What I noticed was that any phone > plugged direcly into the Catalyst did *not* lock up or reboot. Any ph

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-26 Thread Remco Barende
Changing firmware revs did not help, so that left the LAN. I looked long and hard at the LAN and it was basically narrowed down to the switches. In this smaller install, several cheapo Dlink ($30) switches de-aggregate a Cisco Catalyst switch. What I noticed was that any phone plugged direcly i

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck <--additional datapoint to consider

2006-05-25 Thread Colin Anderson
We have a large install of 360's running rev 4.1 with zero problems. I did another, smaller install couple weeks ago with 40 360's running rev 5.3. In both cases, the install was identical, same Asterisk version, same dialplan, everything the same except the differences were: 1. Different firmware

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-24 Thread asterisk
On Wed, 24 May 2006, Tommaso Calosi wrote: I agree... Snom firmware are buggy. You can use any version, you'll always find a bug, expecially for 320's. I think instead of developing " the XML minibrowser" they should make the phones to work properly. I went around in circles with snom for a wh

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-24 Thread Tommaso Calosi
I agree... Snom firmware are buggy. You can use any version, you'll always find a bug, expecially for 320's. I think instead of developing " the XML minibrowser" they should make the phones to work properly. Dovid Bender wrote: I was transporting it in my suitcase when I flew from NY to FL. When

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-22 Thread Dovid Bender
I was transporting it in my suitcase when I flew from NY to FL. When I got there the screen was dead. I contacted snom and they were real helpfull and resolving the issue.   DovidAlex Robar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting, I've never had a screen just die on me. Are you saying that the sc

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-22 Thread Steve Davies
On 5/22/06, Remco Barende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Steve Davies wrote: > I find that the snom phones can be over-sensetive to network glitches, > which with the default configuration can cause a reboot (usually > caused by cheap switches). Try changing the reboot on etherne

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-22 Thread Remco Barende
On Fri, 19 May 2006, Steve Davies wrote: On 5/19/06, Remco Barende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this opinion. The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but k

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread RandyW
I'm gonna jump in here and join Dave here. It simply is of no value to just SPAM your opinion around without either providing real facts or asking for assistance.  We are here to ask for or give out help.  This just isn't productive. Now, if you want a detailed, painfully so, explanation why

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread The VoIP Connection
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:21 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck > > Remco Barende wrote: > > Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I can

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Dave Cotton
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 10:21 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > > Old English saying "A bad workman always blames his tools" > > I don't think that's fair... these are very complicated phones, made in > China for very low prices. Problems do occur with them. > > Some Snom LCDs do have probl

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Old English saying "A bad workman always blames his tools" I don't think that's fair... these are very complicated phones, made in China for very low prices. Problems do occur with them. Some Snom LCDs do have problems. There are firmware glitches, though I've only run into minor ones. Over

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Steve Davies
On 5/19/06, Remco Barende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find that the snom phones can be over-sensetive to network glitches, > which with the default configuration can cause a reboot (usually > caused by cheap switches). Try changing the reboot on ethernet unplug > setting to "ignore". Good ide

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Dave Cotton
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 14:19 +0100, Steve Davies wrote: > On 5/19/06, Remco Barende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this > > opinion. > > > > The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried > > every firmware fr

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Remco Barende
The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but keep having problems with phones locking up or rebooting during an ongoing conversation. Yes, as someone asked earlier on the list the displays do die at some random moment w

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Remco Barende wrote: Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this opinion. The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but keep having problems with phones locking up or rebooting during an ongoin

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Steve Davies
On 5/19/06, Remco Barende <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this opinion. The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but keep having problems with phones locking up

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Alex Robar
Interesting, I've never had a screen just die on me. Are you saying that the screen just stops working?As for firmware, I've always found that the best way to deal with problematic firmware is to talk to the company about it. Especially in a scenario like you're in, where everyone else seems happy

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Ronald Wiplinger
Remco Barende wrote: Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this opinion. The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but keep having problems with phones locking up or rebooting during an ongoin

[Asterisk-Users] Snom firmwares suck

2006-05-19 Thread Remco Barende
Most people seem quite positive about Snom phones, I cannot share this opinion. The displays are dying quite often, and firmware is buggy. I have tried every firmware from 4.5 up to 5.x and 6.04 but keep having problems with phones locking up or rebooting during an ongoing conversation. REAL