On Sunday 20 May 2007 11:36 am, Jon Pounder wrote:
how many cable feet were you ever able to actually get various speeds at ?
Depended on the hardware and wire gauge. I was able to do 1250kbps
symmetrical on a 4kmish loop very reliably.
around here it might just be the geography but I think
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Alex Balashov wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, John Treble said something to this effect:
Can you still do ?homebrew? PTP T1 in the U.S. this way? I thought this
was nixed by the ILEC/CLECs years ago.
It's logically possible. But if you're trying to do T1 over a single pair,
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jon Pounder wrote:
again, I'm interested to know anyone whose actually done this, and what
the results were, since I have been thinking of the same thing for a
while.
Yep, did it for about 10 years straight :) both ADSL and SDSL.
Most reliable service I've ever had from a
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jon Pounder wrote:
again, I'm interested to know anyone whose actually done this, and what
the results were, since I have been thinking of the same thing for a
while.
Yep, did it for about 10 years straight :) both ADSL and SDSL.
Most reliable
On Sun, 20 May 2007, Jon Pounder said something to this effect:
The trend also seems to be just drop in a chunk of fibre and park a dms
switch right near any sizable new development and not feed it from the CO
at all.
Big Class 5 switches like DMSs do not live in remote terminals of the
On 5/13/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what exactly was the charge ?
- trespass - no its public land for the most part this stuff is on so
that doesn't apply
- vandalism/mischief - if no other customer was impacted I don't see
how this charge would stick since there is no measurable
Am Freitag, den 11.05.2007, 18:44 -0400 schrieb Jon Pounder:
just out of curiousity - anyone ever hijack pairs and get away with it ?
(do your own cross connects on the street and utilize some crossconnect
all within one branch of F1 cable out of the CO ?)
I've been tempted in the past, and
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
C F wrote:
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that off.
The world is a
Per Jessen wrote:
Perhaps something along the lines of unauthorised tampering with a
telecomms installation?
More likely conspiracy to aid terrorists by destroying the
infrastructure.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
C F wrote:
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that
Stephen Bosch wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
C F wrote:
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that off.
The world is a big place, and I suppose there's room for all kinds.
In these parts, the
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
C F wrote:
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that off.
The world is a big place, and I
Jon Pounder wrote:
Who said I wanted to run DSL over it :)
no one - I'm sure you really just want to run 110baud modem over it :)
and I'm sure you probably don't want a handful of them between the same 2
locations either.
btw - here is an interesting strategy to get fibre or something
Alex Balashov wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, John Treble said something to this effect:
Can you still do “homebrew” PTP T1 in the U.S. this way? I thought
this was nixed by the ILEC/CLECs years ago.
It's logically possible. But if you're trying to do T1 over a single
pair, you'd have to
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
On Friday 11 May 2007 5:45 pm, Jon Pounder wrote:
again, I'm interested to know anyone whose actually done this, and what
the results were, since I have been thinking of the same thing for a
while.
I'd run about two dozen of these things using a variety of equipment.
On Sat, 12 May 2007, Stephen Bosch said something to this effect:
The copper is so decrepit in so many places that it's really
questionable whether this is even worth considering.
There are just too many variables outside your control.
That was my general impression as well. My suggestion
Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
therefore anything but
Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
therefore anything but
Jon Pounder wrote:
that's what dry copper is supposed to be, just a cross connect between 2
pairs out of the CO. ie not even battery, line test equipment, or anything
else hanging off it at the CO. any restriction should be purely a function
of the inductance/capacitance of the wire and the
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't
Quoting Eric \ManxPower\ Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
that's what dry copper is supposed to be, just a cross connect between 2
pairs out of the CO. ie not even battery, line test equipment, or anything
else hanging off it at the CO. any restriction should be purely a function
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't
Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
Jon Pounder wrote:
that's what dry copper is supposed to be, just a cross connect
between 2
pairs out of the CO. ie not even battery, line test equipment, or
anything
else hanging off it at the CO. any restriction should be purely a
function
of the
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that off.
On 5/12/07, Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In todays socio/political climate, telco infrastructure is seen as
foundational, and an essential service that is vital in times of
emergency. Any unauthorised modification can present an unacceptable risk
exposure to the telco, the emergency services, and to the
C F wrote:
Stephen i disagree. growing up in new work city i can say its quite
easy to get away with it in the city. where i live now in new jersey
(population of around 6) i wouldnt be able to pull that off.
The world is a big place, and I suppose there's room for all kinds. In
these
Hi,
Does anyone know of a way to get a dry copper pair (also known as an alarm
line) from Verizon for less than $20/end? I know we have been able to get
them, but they come out to $40/month for a circuit.. and there's no
dial-tone over it
___
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:36:46PM -0400, Matt wrote:
Does anyone know of a way to get a dry copper pair (also known as an alarm
line) from Verizon for less than $20/end? I know we have been able to get
them, but they come out to $40/month for a circuit.. and there's no
dial-tone
You might be able to try ordering it from a CLEC that can provision it over
UNE and sell it for considerably less. Depending on your area, their
interconnection agreement, tariffs, etc. So, your mileage may vary.
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Matt said something to this effect:
Hi,
Does anyone
Hi,
Does anyone know of a way to get a dry copper pair (also known as an alarm
line) from Verizon for less than $20/end? I know we have been able to
get
them, but they come out to $40/month for a circuit.. and there's no
dial-tone over it
around here (Canada) its a tariffed service
: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
You might be able to try ordering it from a CLEC that can provision it
over UNE and sell it for considerably less. Depending on your area,
their interconnection
Yeah tried that. The CLEC said that one end of the line has to end on
their equipment.
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might be able to try ordering it from a CLEC that can provision it
over
UNE and sell it for considerably less. Depending on your area, their
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex
Balashov
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
You might be able to try ordering it from a CLEC that can provision it
over
.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Smith, Rick
Sent: Fri 5/11/2007 3:39 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
Let me see. Dry pair, $40 for the circuit.
Hardware for each end, $0.
Not paying verizon
territory.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex
Balashov
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
You might be able to try ordering
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
Hi,
Does anyone know of a way to get a dry copper pair (also known as an alarm
line) from Verizon for less than $20/end? I know we have been able to get
them, but they come out to $40/month
On Fri, 11 May 2007, John Treble said something to this effect:
Can you still do homebrew PTP T1 in the U.S. this way? I thought this
was nixed by the ILEC/CLECs years ago.
It's logically possible. But if you're trying to do T1 over a single
pair, you'd have to break it out using
On Fri, 11 May 2007, John Treble said something to this effect:
Can you still do homebrew PTP T1 in the U.S. this way? I thought this
was nixed by the ILEC/CLECs years ago.
It's logically possible. But if you're trying to do T1 over a single
pair, you'd have to break it out using
So we know, and I know, that a dry copper pair has no load coils, etc.
Generally sells for about $20/line.. sometimes less.
Is there something that iLEC will sell that has load coils in it? Like say,
if I wanted to run voice over it, and didn't care about data?
IE.. I know this is VoIP, but
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Matt said something to this effect:
Is there something that iLEC will sell that has load coils in it? Like
say, if I wanted to run voice over it, and didn't care about data?
I don't know that they'd necessarily sell you anything with load coils
*per se*, especially
Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair
Hi,
Does anyone know of a way to get a dry copper pair (also known as an alarm
line) from Verizon for less than $20/end? I know we have been able to get
them, but they come out to $40/month for a circuit.. and there's no
dial-tone over
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
therefore anything but analog voice might/should not work.
What is PTP copper? Unless it's an
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
therefore anything but analog voice
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
therefore anything but analog voice
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 18:44 -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't
On Friday 11 May 2007 5:45 pm, Jon Pounder wrote:
again, I'm interested to know anyone whose actually done this, and what
the results were, since I have been thinking of the same thing for a
while.
I'd run about two dozen of these things using a variety of equipment.
Pairgain SDSL modems
Quoting Greg Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 18:44 -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
didn't
work. The
On Friday 11 May 2007 7:46 pm, Jon Pounder wrote:
well actually there is dialtone on the unprovisioned pairs for the
most part, but you can only dial repair, the telco office or 911 on
them. I am not sure if its all pairs or just pairs that had a line
provisioned at one time. ANAC just replys
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:46:18PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Wear a hardhat and toolbelt with a butt set hanging off it, and you'll
easily penetrate the collective :) I've had many a conversation with a
telco installer and for the most part if you know what you're talking
about they
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