Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-31 Thread Steve Kann
On Aug 31, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: Chris Shaw wrote: - Channel Support: IAX2 in asterisk IAX2 in libiax2 Other IP channels in asterisk (RTP-based ones, I guess are all that is left). CNG/VAD and DTX in SIP is a must if * is to be taken seriously as a complete solution... As

RE: [Asterisk-users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-31 Thread Chris Shaw
> I have been reading the RFCs and I'm a bit more familiar with how it works > now although the algorithms are a bit over my head. I am somewhat new to > RTP/VoIP, but I have a strong telecom/networking background so it makes > things a bit easier to understand since they share a lot of common > fe

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-31 Thread Chris Shaw
> This is nothing to do with SIP. It is an RTP issue, common to everything > which uses RTP - SIP and H.323 included. I have been reading the RFCs and I'm a bit more familiar with how it works now although the algorithms are a bit over my head. I am somewhat new to RTP/VoIP, but I have a strong te

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-31 Thread Steve Underwood
Chris Shaw wrote: - Channel Support: IAX2 in asterisk IAX2 in libiax2 Other IP channels in asterisk (RTP-based ones, I guess are all that is left). CNG/VAD and DTX in SIP is a must if * is to be taken seriously as a complete solution... As much as we all hate it's complexity and wish that

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-30 Thread Chris Shaw
Nevermind, DUH, I was reading it wrong, it states that they DO NOT contain CNG algorithms, it describes a way to send CNG on codecs that do not contain CNG algorithms natively... -Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-30 Thread Chris Shaw
I'm not very familiar with programming codecs, but from my understanding and reading RFC3389, aren't the VAD/CNG and DTX algorithms already built into certain codecs like G.711u/a and G.229(a)? If so, what would be required to activate them from *? Just some rewriting of SDP/RTP to send and recieve

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-30 Thread Chris Shaw
>- Channel Support: >IAX2 in asterisk >IAX2 in libiax2 > Other IP channels in asterisk (RTP-based ones, I guess are all that is left). CNG/VAD and DTX in SIP is a must if * is to be taken seriously as a complete solution... As much as we all hate it's complexity and wish that everything

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-30 Thread Steve Kann
I'm also interested in this, as the other Steve knows. Anyone in the re-worked jitter-buffer/PLC/DTX crowd besides me going to be at astricon? We can at least start working there on requirements.  I think I've wrote this before, but here's what I'd _really_ like to see as requirements for a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-29 Thread matt . riddell
On 30 Aug 2004 at 10:38, Steve Underwood wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On 30 Aug 2004 at 0:26, Steve Underwood wrote: > > > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second > >>>instead of the incoming audio? Were

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-29 Thread Steve Underwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Aug 2004 at 0:26, Steve Underwood wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead of the incoming audio? Were there no interrupts available when it started? Even if you had no card you could use the ztdumm

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-29 Thread matt . riddell
On 30 Aug 2004 at 0:26, Steve Underwood wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead > >of the incoming audio? Were there no interrupts available when it > >started? Even if you had no card you could use the ztdummy module > >and ev

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-29 Thread Steve Underwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead of the incoming audio? Were there no interrupts available when it started? Even if you had no card you could use the ztdummy module and even though that might be off by a bit, surely it'd sound better

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread Kevin Walsh
Michael Manousos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Kevin Walsh wrote: > > Michael Manousos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > a) The transmitter detected silence and sent nothing but the last CN > > > packet was lost. According to the above interpretations, the receiver > > > will try to conseal a packet loss

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread steve
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Michael Manousos wrote: > I hope that the above issues will start a discussion and result to a > solution, no just for PLC, but also for the DTX operation. Yeah - my goal for a reworked jitter buffer includes DTX and PLC. And other TLAs ;-) Steve ___

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread Michael Manousos
Kevin Walsh wrote: Michael Manousos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the RTP stack of the receiver. When a packet is received, there are two cases: a) An RTP packet carrying voice frames is received. In that case the decoder will play the voice frames. b) A CN (Comfort Noise) packet is received.

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread Kevin Walsh
Michael Manousos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Look at the RTP stack of the receiver. When a packet is received, there > are two cases: > > a) An RTP packet carrying voice frames is received. In that case the > decoder will play the voice frames. > b) A CN (Comfort Noise) packet is received. In that

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread Michael Manousos
Kevin Walsh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Aug 2004 at 2:33, Kevin Walsh wrote: There is no packet loss concealment in Asterisk at this time. Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead of the incoming audio? Were there no interrupts available when it started? Even

Re: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-27 Thread steve
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Jorge Verastegui G wrote: > Have the astesrisk and digium people implemented PLC? No > Are > they implmementing it now? I want to but just haven't got to it yet. Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://l

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-26 Thread matt . riddell
On 27 Aug 2004 at 5:56, Kevin Walsh wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 27 Aug 2004 at 2:33, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > > There is no packet loss concealment in Asterisk at this time. > > > > > Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead > > of the incoming audio? Were

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-26 Thread Kevin Walsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 27 Aug 2004 at 2:33, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > There is no packet loss concealment in Asterisk at this time. > > > Why doesn't asterisk clock to the 1000 interrupts per second instead > of the incoming audio? Were there no interrupts available when it > started? Even i

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-26 Thread matt . riddell
On 27 Aug 2004 at 2:33, Kevin Walsh wrote: > Jorge Verastegui G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I've been using VoIP over a not so reliable net: I usually > > get a 5% to 10% packet loss and a very high jitter. I tried > > several codecs and parameters, and the only thing left to > > test is PLC (Pac

RE: [Asterisk-Users] PLC (Packet loss cancel) questions

2004-08-26 Thread Kevin Walsh
Jorge Verastegui G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been using VoIP over a not so reliable net: I usually > get a 5% to 10% packet loss and a very high jitter. I tried > several codecs and parameters, and the only thing left to > test is PLC (Packet Loss Cancellement). > There is no packet loss con