Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:18:36AM -0400, SIP wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: ASCAP and BMI annual blankets aren't actually that expensive. A live music venue run by some friends of mine had both, and for 535 fire-code seating and about 150 nights a year, I think they paid $500 a year to

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-06 Thread SIP
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: However, if you get caught willfully performing copyrighted music without paying ASCAP, BMI, et al, you're liable for a $100,000 fine ($20,000 per song if it's not deemed willful) per song. I wonder how much of *that* money goes to the songwriters. ;-) Cheers

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 11:26:25AM -0400, SIP wrote: I actually tried to find that out (even something anecdotal), but so far no luck. I'm guessing not that much. The law allows for adjusting the percentages somewhat on the fly for various reasons (for instance, web radio performances give

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread Stephen Bosch
John Novack wrote: The fact that ASCAP goes on campaigns doesn't make it any less absurd (or, for that matter, any more likely that the average business is going to be taken to task); the reality is that thousands upon thousands of interconnects install PBX systems with radio ports on them

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread Paul
The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local market area. Stephen Bosch wrote: John Novack

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread John Novack
Paul wrote: The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local market area. It is ALL

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread SIP
John Novack wrote: Paul wrote: The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 07:28:05PM -0400, SIP wrote: Lots of information around about people who've had issues with rebroadcasting the radio in their business establishments. However, it is rare that ASCAP et al go after anyone but the big moneymakers. The old Bloom County rule still holds

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-05 Thread SIP
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 07:28:05PM -0400, SIP wrote: Lots of information around about people who've had issues with rebroadcasting the radio in their business establishments. However, it is rare that ASCAP et al go after anyone but the big moneymakers. The old

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-04 Thread Stephen Bosch
Steve Kennedy wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:22:20PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-04 Thread John Novack
Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they will. Not absurd at

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-04 Thread Dean Collins
: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ? Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-04 Thread Stephen Bosch
John Novack wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-04 Thread John Novack
Stephen Bosch wrote: John Novack wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-08-02 Thread Ronan Mullally
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Steve Kennedy wrote: What if the radio is on in the background when I make a call ? is that rebroadcasting ? kind of gets blurry on the definitions there. That's not as you're listening to it and not trying to rebroadcast. I've not been following this thread closely,

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Jared Smith
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 07:25:00AM -0400, Jared Smith wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand.

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Deepak Naidu
Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread voiplist
So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread john beaman
Just Google for: royalty free music, and will find plenty of sites that will serve your needs. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 12:49:45 PM So is there a simple way to license

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:49:45PM -0500, voiplist wrote: So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? In some cases, yes. It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread voiplist
I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? On

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread john beaman
No, you will not. According to the music industry those artists are all are entitled to compensation for every time their song is broadcast, which includes MoH. AFAIK, there are no popular songs by popular artists that are royalty-free. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:37:00PM -0500, voiplist wrote: I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Darrell S. Long
There's no royalty free popular songs by popular artists. Not only would you have to pay royalties, you would have to secure the rights from the artists' representatives just to get the permission to play the songs in the first place. Darrell S. Long BestWeb Corporation john beaman wrote:

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 03:05:32PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:37:00PM -0500, voiplist wrote: I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Joe acquisto
. . . Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread John Millican
On Tuesday July 31 2007 4:44 pm, Joe acquisto wrote: . . . Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Jon Pounder
Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen anywhere already, you're only providing that to the listener through a phone handset

Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?

2007-07-31 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:22:20PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen anywhere already, you're