Re: [asterisk-users] AGI pdf book
Thanks for this Jared (look - back on topic!). I've just ordered the print and downloaded the pdf. It does look very good (the bits I've managed to read so far). I'll give everyone my humble and worthless opinion of it when I get to read it some more. Andy -- -Original Message- -- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- -- boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith -- Sent: 18 February 2009 15:57 -- To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion -- Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AGI pdf book -- -- On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:36 +0200, michel freiha wrote: -- the asterisk book from oreilly does not make full description to the -- AGI scripting... -- -- You're right.. the O'Reilly book doesn't make a full and complete -- description of AGI programming. (It was better than anything else -- written at the time, but it's nowhere near perfect.) -- -- If you have specific suggestions on what more you'd like to see -- covered -- in the AGI chapter, I'm certainly open to feedback. -- -- I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just -- dedicated for AGI and nothing else -- -- The only book I'm aware of that covers AGI and only AGI is the AGI -- book -- written by Nir Simionovich. It's not free, but I hear that it's the -- best book in the world on the subject of AGI programming, and I'm -- looking forward to reading it myself. More info at -- http://www.packtpub.com/asterisk-gateway-interface-programming/book -- -- -- -- -- -- Jared Smith -- Digium, Inc. | Training Manager -- -- -- -- -- ___ -- -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- -- -- asterisk-users mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: -- http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] AGI pdf book
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 15:22 +1300, Michael wrote: This is everything that is wrong with Open Source - no body wants to pay for anything Your statement is not correct! Well atleast half of it. You should have said: -no body wants to pay for anything- This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that something is opensource. The fact that the source is open has nothing todo with its pricetag. Sometimes opensource products are more expensive then closed source products. If you want support/maintenance/dedicated_features/you-name-it you'll have to pay for it. But you only pay for what you want/need, and not because some egghead decided what he wants to put together as a sales-package. Opensource is about the freedom to check and to change, security, quality. If you doubt it, check with SLES/RHES/ABE/... There even seems to be companies that do _only_ support on open products, like typo3, openoffice, And make a living out of it. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that something is opensource. The fact that the source is open has nothing todo with its pricetag. Sometimes opensource products are more expensive then closed source products. If you want support/maintenance/dedicated_features/you-name-it you'll have to pay for it. But you only pay for what you want/need, and not because some egghead decided what he wants to put together as a sales-package. Opensource is about the freedom to check and to change, security, quality. If you doubt it, check with SLES/RHES/ABE/... There even seems to be companies that do _only_ support on open products, like typo3, openoffice, And make a living out of it. Big companies, especially those with major computing systems use paid software because they want a vendor they can hold responsible for it. As for OSS and FOSS, it is majorly used by the sort of businesses and individuals who call me (and other IT pros) up and talk the talk, but they don't have a 2 dimes to rub together. This problem is only going to get worse as the so-called 'recession' bites... fellow I.T. professionals - get used to your clients trying to weasel free service out of you. Everything I am hearing from fellow I.T. people is that there is no shortage of 'work' but a lot of clients are resisting paying. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Big companies, especially those with major computing systems use paid software because they want a vendor they can hold responsible for it. As for OSS and FOSS, it is majorly used by the sort of businesses and individuals who call me (and other IT pros) up and talk the talk, but they don't have a 2 dimes to rub together. This problem is only going to get worse as the so-called 'recession' bites... fellow I.T. professionals - get used to your clients trying to weasel free service out of you. Everything I am hearing from fellow I.T. people is that there is no shortage of 'work' but a lot of clients are resisting paying. Well it is possible to be responsible for the opensource software also. When you have a support package you dont really care if it is a 'open' or 'closed' Look at fonality, ok their soft is not 100% open source but if you take the community edition you still able to subscribe to support, and they WILL take the responsibility to repair you system in case of disaster. Many others in this case. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Michael wrote: This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that something is opensource. The fact that the source is open has nothing todo with its pricetag. Sometimes opensource products are more expensive then closed source products. If you want support/maintenance/dedicated_features/you-name-it you'll have to pay for it. But you only pay for what you want/need, and not because some egghead decided what he wants to put together as a sales-package. Opensource is about the freedom to check and to change, security, quality. If you doubt it, check with SLES/RHES/ABE/... There even seems to be companies that do _only_ support on open products, like typo3, openoffice, And make a living out of it. Big companies, especially those with major computing systems use paid software because they want a vendor they can hold responsible for it. As for OSS and FOSS, it is majorly used by the sort of businesses and individuals who call me (and other IT pros) up and talk the talk, but they don't have a 2 dimes to rub together. This problem is only going to get worse as the so-called 'recession' bites... fellow I.T. professionals - get used to your clients trying to weasel free service out of you. Everything I am hearing from fellow I.T. people is that there is no shortage of 'work' but a lot of clients are resisting paying. ___ No... there's no shortage of work that needs doing. But there's a definite shortage of money to pay those to do it -- hence the massive, worldwide layoffs. Your little corner may not be affected, but to discount basic economics because you don't see it? Well... that's incredibly short-sighted and provincial. Expect a bigger push to FOSS simply because fewer companies can afford what they used to be able to afford. They can't get loans. The people who buy their services and wares have all but vanished, so they have no influx of capital. This is not some 'media-created' concept. There's some incredibly good OSS and FOSS out there (Asterisk is a case in point). People who sneer at companies that use it, saying they're somehow lesser than companies that don't are, I usually find, those who are making a living overcharging for their products. N. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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\ No... there's no shortage of work that needs doing. But there's a definite shortage of money to pay those to do it -- hence the massive, worldwide layoffs. Your little corner may not be affected, but to discount basic economics because you don't see it? Well... that's incredibly short-sighted and provincial. Expect a bigger push to FOSS simply because fewer companies can afford what they used to be able to afford. They can't get loans. The people who buy their services and wares have all but vanished, so they have no influx of capital. This is not some 'media-created' concept. There's some incredibly good OSS and FOSS out there (Asterisk is a case in point). People who sneer at companies that use it, saying they're somehow lesser than companies that don't are, I usually find, those who are making a living overcharging for their products. This could become quite a long winded O.T. discussion. Unfortunately not appropriate for this list. I use mainly FOSS in my business. But the days of me providing technical support services to others who do are fast coming to an end. FOSS by and large attracts a certain type of 'client', one who is rarely commercially viable. Given that I have other business interests where firm orders just turn up, almost nil support is required, and 100% of the customers pay their bills (nonwithstanding a few are slightly late). The hassle, the tyre kicking, the 'you have to be dreaming' and the chasing up of overdue accounts, including having to write off some of them, the endless discussions and briefings with customers on small value projects. It's a PITA I'd rather do without. Sorry people. It's only a few short years ago I was in the nerd camp and trotting out the same mantras about how great it is to have open source... But I am now a bit older, slightly more wiser and with a lot less ideological view of things. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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This problem is only going to get worse as the so-called 'recession' bites... fellow I.T. professionals - get used to your clients trying to weasel free service out of you. Everything I am hearing from fellow I.T. people is that there is no shortage of 'work' but a lot of clients are resisting paying. Not entirely. I've been trying for two years to get someone to work with my small Linux system. One guy never had time to come. I finally got someone out who was going to charge either $125 or $175 per hour (USD) depending on whether he decided it was a computer problem or a network problem (which is about twice what I charge for Embedded hardware and software development). He spent an hour here and had to go to his next appointment. My little Samba problem was beyond his ability to solve! Fortunately, he realized that he hadn't done anything and didn't charge. Wilton ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Not entirely. I've been trying for two years to get someone to work with my small Linux system. One guy never had time to come. I finally got someone out who was going to charge either $125 or $175 per hour (USD) depending on whether he decided it was a computer problem or a network problem (which is about twice what I charge for Embedded hardware and software development). He spent an hour here and had to go to his next appointment. My little Samba problem was beyond his ability to solve! Fortunately, he realized that he hadn't done anything and didn't charge. That sounds quite expensive. The only way ahead I can see for FOSS to become widely used in business is to integrate it in to *commercial* solutions, where the client is buying a *commercial* product, complete with the i's dotted and the t's crossed, like Cisco or Avaya does. And their solutions are expensive. The service is expensive. And guess what... the customer buys it! Where the 'client' is using FOSS to save costs or for ideological reasons - this is where the headaches are for I.T. professionals. The clients more often then not are nerds, DIYers, running a business in a 'tight' industry (like Internet Service provision), or just simply not in a position to pay the bill. Sorry if this sounds overly cynical, but when 9/10 cases can be fitted in to this category, the other 1/10 does not make a good business case. Further more I have been in the industry for long enough to have heard the same flawed, unworkable, commercial non goer business schemes more then enough times over... I do not wish to have any involvement in yet another wireless ISP ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Michael mich...@networkstuff.co.nz wrote: Not entirely. I've been trying for two years to get someone to work with my small Linux system. One guy never had time to come. I finally got someone out who was going to charge either $125 or $175 per hour (USD) depending on whether he decided it was a computer problem or a network problem (which is about twice what I charge for Embedded hardware and software development). He spent an hour here and had to go to his next appointment. My little Samba problem was beyond his ability to solve! Fortunately, he realized that he hadn't done anything and didn't charge. That sounds quite expensive. The only way ahead I can see for FOSS to become widely used in business is to integrate it in to *commercial* solutions, where the client is buying a *commercial* product, complete with the i's dotted and the t's crossed, like Cisco or Avaya does. And their solutions are expensive. The service is expensive. And guess what... the customer buys it! Where the 'client' is using FOSS to save costs or for ideological reasons - this is where the headaches are for I.T. professionals. The clients more often then not are nerds, DIYers, running a business in a 'tight' industry (like Internet Service provision), or just simply not in a position to pay the bill. Sorry if this sounds overly cynical, but when 9/10 cases can be fitted in to this category, the other 1/10 does not make a good business case. Further more I have been in the industry for long enough to have heard the same flawed, unworkable, commercial non goer business schemes more then enough times over... I do not wish to have any involvement in yet another wireless ISP Wilton and Michael, $150 an hour is not expensive in this area. It also weeds out the guys that are in financial problems, and I try to get paid a percentage upfront. I have yet to get a deadbeat client and my customers have all been very viable (except mortgage brokers, but they were viable at the time). My customers have ranged from large call centers with a $30 million advertising budget all the way to the State Department, US Embassies, and USAID. To compare the $150 an hour to your embedded system pricing is not comparing apples to apples. The consultant may have an hour or two minimum, then there is travel time and expense to his next gig, and there are also slow times, or seeking new clients that must be accounted for. When you really know your stuff, you sometimes shoot yourself in the foot by getting things done quickly as well. BTW, did you get your Samba issue fixed? Maybe I can help? I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. Yoohoo! Let's print some more money. I don't think that's been tried before ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Michael wrote: I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. Yoohoo! Let's print some more money. I don't think that's been tried before You must of course know all about how things are working here in the states while you sit in NZ. The money is not being printed. It is being raised and accounted for in debt, which we will have to shoulder going forward. I'm a bit put off by your recent holier than thou comments with regard to what is going on over here. It is a serious situation that is affecting many people, myself included. I have lived overseas and know the opinion most other countries have of the US. They think we look down on them and how they live. You seem to do the exact opposite, so take stock and think about keeping your comments to yourself. You never know when they will come back to bite you. j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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did you get your Samba issue fixed? Yes, I finally figured it out this morning. I had the domain set to match that of the web site it was serving, which was on the other side of a router, so not even on the local subnet. The DNS queries from that got Samba all messed up. Ugh! Yes, I would have gladly paid someone $150 for an hour's work to solve that problem. That assumes they could figure it out in an hour--I know any number of people who would have taken a day or two to track that one down. I can't afford that rate for that amount of time (nor does the economic model you described fit as well for an all day job). I'm a small business owner. I have a number of Linux items I'd like to off-load, but if it costs me a lot more to off-load it than to do it myself, in spite of the learning curve--well if I do it myself, at least I learned something. I'll offload PCB layout or writing DSP drivers because I can get them done for $50 an hour or less. On the other hand, if I found someone locally who knew what they were doing and charged reasonably, I'd have ongoing work for them from time to time. Yes, my charge out rates aren't the highest even in my field (which actually is more complex than Linux or networking). However, I evaluated the situation a few years ago. A friend of mine was charging twice what I was, but admitted he spent half his time marketing himself. Hmmm, he's bringing home the same per month that I am. Since I prefer engineering to marketing, I think I've got the better deal. I haven't had a down day in probably 10 years. BTW, my fees have to cover a few thousand dollars worth of assets like test equipment, computers and engineering development software. Wilton ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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You must of course know all about how things are working here in the states while you sit in NZ. The money is not being printed. It is being I am well informed thanks to the global reach of such excellent purveyours of quality news and information such as Fox and CNN. raised and accounted for in debt, which we will have to shoulder going forward. I'm a bit put off by your recent holier than thou comments with holier then thou?... that's a bit strong. Of course I know the US government is borrowing the money from the privately controlled Federal Reserve, so the US taxpayers can foot the bill with interest. regard to what is going on over here. It is a serious situation that is affecting many people, myself included. I have lived overseas and know the opinion most other countries have of the US. They think we look down on them and how they live. Which is *exactly* what happens. stock and think about keeping your comments to yourself. You never know when they will come back to bite you. Oh... dear... ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Michael mich...@networkstuff.co.nz wrote: I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. Yoohoo! Let's print some more money. I don't think that's been tried before You can say that again :) Hey I am against any Federal bailouts (wrote in Ron Paul and donated to his campaign for presidency as well as being an active member of the Campaign for Liberty http://campaignforliberty.com) , but they are a reality. Only a fool would not align themselves with the market and the money. Maybe that is why you seem to have such difficulty with obtaining Paying customers. If you are so against the Stimulus (spending) Package then feel free to send me your opportunities that are on the receiving end of the money. I will certainly pay for any good leads. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 13:46 +1300, Michael wrote: I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. Yoohoo! Let's print some more money. I don't think that's been tried before Of course it has! I've been doing it in my basement for years! ;) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Michael mich...@networkstuff.co.nz wrote: You must of course know all about how things are working here in the states while you sit in NZ. The money is not being printed. It is being I am well informed thanks to the global reach of such excellent purveyours of quality news and information such as Fox and CNN. raised and accounted for in debt, which we will have to shoulder going forward. I'm a bit put off by your recent holier than thou comments with holier then thou?... that's a bit strong. Of course I know the US government is borrowing the money from the privately controlled Federal Reserve, so the US taxpayers can foot the bill with interest. Money is borrowed at the Prime Rate which is between 0% and .25% but thus far, China and Japan have been lending the largest portions as well as other foreign countries. I am not saying this is any better but you should get your facts straight. regard to what is going on over here. It is a serious situation that is affecting many people, myself included. I have lived overseas and know the opinion most other countries have of the US. They think we look down on them and how they live. Which is *exactly* what happens. stock and think about keeping your comments to yourself. You never know when they will come back to bite you. Oh... dear... tool. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Hey I am against any Federal bailouts (wrote in Ron Paul and donated to his campaign for presidency as well as being an active member of the Campaign for Liberty http://campaignforliberty.com) , but they are a reality. Shame Ron Paul was shafted of fair media attention. He would be an excellent president for the US. Only a fool would not align themselves with the market and the money. Maybe that is why you seem to have such difficulty with obtaining Paying customers. You are mistaken. I have no difficulty finding good clients But then I aren't trying to squeeze myself in on free software deals with them either. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Michael wrote: I also think you should check the economic stimulus package. There are billions of dollars allocated to ISPs. It could be a windfall. Yoohoo! Let's print some more money. I don't think that's been tried before You must of course know all about how things are working here in the states while you sit in NZ. The money is not being printed. It is being raised and accounted for in debt, which we will have to shoulder going forward. I'm a bit put off by your recent holier than thou comments with regard to what is going on over here. It is a serious situation that is affecting many people, myself included. I have lived overseas and know the opinion most other countries have of the US. They think we look down on them and how they live. You seem to do the exact opposite, so take stock and think about keeping your comments to yourself. You never know when they will come back to bite you. j But, as I said before, I wouldn't expect too much from someone who lives in a country with more sheep than people. And I seriously doubt NZ is going to be immune for long, unless they aren't of this world! This will take a very long time to work itself out, and folks better get used to some very lean times. Be thankful you have a marketable skill. John Novack -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Money is borrowed at the Prime Rate which is between 0% and .25% but thus far, China and Japan have been lending the largest portions as well as other foreign countries. I am not saying this is any better but you should get your facts straight. I am well aware of this. I am also well aware that this subject is O.T. and as such my two cents worth is kept deliberately simplistic. But yes, the China Development Bank is (supposedly) sitting on US$ 2.5 trillion of greenbacks. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, John Novack wrote: This will take a very long time to work itself out, and folks better get used to some very lean times. Be thankful you have a marketable skill. Not that it seems to be getting me any interviews :) j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Is this the asterisk users list? or some political list? or maybe i dunno, i am confused On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Michael mich...@networkstuff.co.nz wrote: Money is borrowed at the Prime Rate which is between 0% and .25% but thus far, China and Japan have been lending the largest portions as well as other foreign countries. I am not saying this is any better but you should get your facts straight. I am well aware of this. I am also well aware that this subject is O.T. and as such my two cents worth is kept deliberately simplistic. But yes, the China Development Bank is (supposedly) sitting on US$ 2.5 trillion of greenbacks. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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i dont see the connection with AGI pdf book On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Emmanuel Bruno tipas...@gmail.com wrote: Is this the asterisk users list? or some political list? or maybe i dunno, i am confused On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Michael mich...@networkstuff.co.nzwrote: Money is borrowed at the Prime Rate which is between 0% and .25% but thus far, China and Japan have been lending the largest portions as well as other foreign countries. I am not saying this is any better but you should get your facts straight. I am well aware of this. I am also well aware that this subject is O.T. and as such my two cents worth is kept deliberately simplistic. But yes, the China Development Bank is (supposedly) sitting on US$ 2.5 trillion of greenbacks. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:28:23 you wrote: Is this the asterisk users list? or some political list? or maybe i dunno, i am confused Sorry. I'll make that my last post on the subject. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Dear Sir, Can someone help me please to find a free ebook talking about AGI scripting through asterisk? Regards ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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http://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf asterisk-support books section Asterisk: The Future of Telephonyhttp://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf is greate. David 2009/2/18 michel freiha mich...@gmail.com Dear Sir, Can someone help me please to find a free ebook talking about AGI scripting through asterisk? Regards ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Dear Sir, the asterisk book from oreilly does not make full description to the AGI scripting...I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else Regards On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM, David fire ddf...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf asterisk-support books section Asterisk: The Future of Telephonyhttp://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf is greate. David 2009/2/18 michel freiha mich...@gmail.com Dear Sir, Can someone help me please to find a free ebook talking about AGI scripting through asterisk? Regards ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Try www.cpan.org http://www.cpan.org/ -- modules -- agi. This will help you from a PERL perspective. The AGI is also applicable for (at least) PHP and C+. _ From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of michel freiha Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] AGI pdf book Dear Sir, the asterisk book from oreilly does not make full description to the AGI scripting...I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else Regards On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:09 PM, David fire ddf...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/b ooks/9780596510480.pdf asterisk-support books section Asterisk: The Future of Telephony http://www.digium.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://downloads.oreilly.com/ books/9780596510480.pdf is greate. David 2009/2/18 michel freiha mich...@gmail.com Dear Sir, Can someone help me please to find a free ebook talking about AGI scripting through asterisk? Regards ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:36 +0200, michel freiha wrote: the asterisk book from oreilly does not make full description to the AGI scripting... You're right.. the O'Reilly book doesn't make a full and complete description of AGI programming. (It was better than anything else written at the time, but it's nowhere near perfect.) If you have specific suggestions on what more you'd like to see covered in the AGI chapter, I'm certainly open to feedback. I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else The only book I'm aware of that covers AGI and only AGI is the AGI book written by Nir Simionovich. It's not free, but I hear that it's the best book in the world on the subject of AGI programming, and I'm looking forward to reading it myself. More info at http://www.packtpub.com/asterisk-gateway-interface-programming/book -- Jared Smith Digium, Inc. | Training Manager ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote: The AGI is also applicable for (at least) PHP and C+. An AGI (or more accurately, an executable conforming to the AGI specification) can be written in any language -- Fortran, assembly, shell script, BLISS (if you wanted to fastagi over to a VAX running VMS) -- I can't think of a language you couldn't use :) My personal preference is C because of speed, flexibility, speed, small footprint, and speed. Oh, and I know it best. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I think PHP is the best language to write AGIs, there is a library available (PHPAGI) and it is easier to work with as compared to the complexity of the C language. That book written by Nir Simionovich (Asterisk AGI 1.4 and 1.6 Programming) clearly describe the pros and cons of writing AGI scripts in various languages (Java/C etc...) and also his book cover the PHPAGI library. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Steve Edwards asterisk@sedwards.comwrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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There's a cheaper pdf version of his book as well. You can get more info at: http://www.packtpub.com/asterisk-gateway-interface-programming/book On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Emmanuel Bruno tipas...@gmail.com wrote: I think PHP is the best language to write AGIs, there is a library available (PHPAGI) and it is easier to work with as compared to the complexity of the C language. That book written by Nir Simionovich (Asterisk Gateway Interface 1.4 and 1.6 Programming) clearly describe the pros and cons of writing AGI scripts in various languages (Java/C etc...) and also his book cover the PHPAGI library. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Steve Edwards asterisk@sedwards.comwrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Just for the records, Those of you who likes PHP simplicity (I'm one of them :) ) , but would like C small footprint, and almost *incomparable speed*; there's a PHP compiler that takes PHP code to C, and produces an optimized executable. You can see it here: http://www.phpcompiler.org/index.html Of course, Open Source. Take a look at it, seems interesting. Emmanuel Bruno wrote: I think PHP is the best language to write AGIs, there is a library available (PHPAGI) and it is easier to work with as compared to the complexity of the C language. That book written by Nir Simionovich (Asterisk AGI 1.4 and 1.6 Programming) clearly describe the pros and cons of writing AGI scripts in various languages (Java/C etc...) and also his book cover the PHPAGI library. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Steve Edwards asterisk.org http://asterisk.org@sedwards.com http://sedwards.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com mailto:sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Jose P. Espinal http://www.eSlackware.com IRC: [OFTC|FreeNode] Khratos @ #slackware | #asterisk/-doc/-bugs ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:35:25 Steve Edwards wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) This is everything that is wrong with Open Source - no body wants to pay for anything ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Michael wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:35:25 Steve Edwards wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, michel freiha wrote: I suggest please if someone advice to me a free PDF book just dedicated for AGI and nothing else It takes a rare individual to put the effort required to write a book and then distribute it for free. I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) This is everything that is wrong with Open Source - no body wants to pay for anything Hi my name is nobody. I like to pay for many (FOSS) things. Not as much as I'd like but when the right Powerball ticket makes it into my hand I'll do more. :-) Rod -- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I would like to write it, but my kids have grown accustomed to eating :) This is everything that is wrong with Open Source - no body wants to pay for anything Hi my name is nobody. I like to pay for many (FOSS) things. Not as much as I'd like but when the right Powerball ticket makes it into my hand I'll do more. :-) And you're going to stay this way because the ahem... 'customer' knows it's free and pays you accordingly. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
