Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase
Not that I know of I am a Cisco partner and the Category 1 contract is still at least half that or less. He was talking about the SIP-license... Not the SmartNET. If you have a SmartNET, you CAN download the SIP load but to use it, you need the license. I think that's the point; to use sip please pay an additional $150US. Downloading the image is supposedly illegal unless you have a license. Now, what is the true list price of a new 7960 with sip? (Be careful to read the license terms before answering that question.) You suffer from two fundamental misunderstandings: I don't think so, but maybe we're bumping up against the words that are being used here. Split this into three questions, and answer those questions with some assurance that legal licensing issues are addressed. 1) part of the discussion was if you owned a 7960, what is required to obtain a sip image and legally use it (that obviously assumes some other image is installed on the 7960)? 2) if one ordered a brand new 7960 from an authorized cisco reseller, what exactly 'must' be purchased (with costs) to use that 7960 in a sip environment? 3) if one purchased a 7960 on ebay (or some non-cisco reseller), what exactly must be ordered to legally use that phone in a sip environment? 1) The SmartNET does not permit you to download the firmware. It does permit you to UPGRADE your licensed firmware. It might be Cisco's error to have not separated the downloads by firmware versions or protocols. However, to be able to do something never meant to be allowed to do it, right? 2) You also need a license for using a 7960 with the Cisco Call Manager. The trick is to figure out if you bought the license with the CCM itself or if you need to buy an additional CCM One Station User License which cost exactly the same as the SIP license. If you want a SIP phone and know it before buying, you should buy a phone WITHOUT the CCM license. Most dealers sell Cisco IP phones INCLUDING this CCM license. To be sure, order a spare phone: CP-7960G= Cisco IP Phone 7960G, Global, Spare D $415 CP-7940G= Cisco IP Phone 7940G, Global, Spare D $315 CP-7936= IP Conference Station, SpareD $1.195 CP-7912G= Cisco IP Phone 7912G, Global, Spare D $245 CP-7905G= Cisco IP Phone 7905G, Global, Spare D $165 Don't forget the power supply if you don't have a Cisco PoE switch CP-PWR-CUBE-2 IP Phone power transformer for the 7900 phone series D $45 and the power cord CP-PWR-CORD-NA= 7900 Series Transformer Power Cord, North America N/A $10 CP-PWR-CORD-CE= 7900 Series Transformer Power Cord, Central Europe N/A $10 CP-PWR-CORD-UK= 7900 Series Transformer Power Cord, United Kingdom N/A $10 CP-PWR-CORD-AU= 7900 Series Transformer Power Cord, Australia N/A $10 CP-PWR-CORD-JP= 7900 Series Transformer Power Cord, Japan N/A $10 CP-PWR-CORD-AP= 7900 Series Asia Pacific Power CordN/A $10 Not to mention that street prices are substantially lower than Global Pricelist values... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase
I've heard a few times that the firmware for Cisco Phones to use them with SIP is going to increase $150. Is this true? - Dan Levine CYTEXONE | Your Technology Specialists t: 877.CYTEXONE x 810 l: 212.477.0990 x 810 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cytexone.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase
Not that I know of I am a Cisco partner and the Category 1 contract is still at least half that or less. - Original Message - From: Dan Levine To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase I've heard a few times that the firmware for Cisco Phones to use them with SIP is going to increase $150. Is this true? - Dan Levine CYTEXONE | Your Technology Specialists t: 877.CYTEXONE x 810 l: 212.477.0990 x 810 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cytexone.com ___Asterisk-Users mailing listAsterisk-Users@lists.digium.comhttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-usersTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase
I've heard a few times that the firmware for Cisco Phones to use them with SIP is going to increase $150. Is this true? If you follow the cisco license agreements, yes. The cisco list price of the 7960 (as an example) includes their non-sip software for something like $650. (Street price is substantially less.) If you want that brand new phone with a sip license (and software), then there is an add-on for the sip license (something like $100 US, now making that a $750 phone). If you buy a used/reconditioned phone from any non-cisco-sponsored reseller, you're supposed to pay for a new license for whatever software is installed in the used phone (even if its the original software shipped from cisco with the phone). That cost is very high, and oriented to discourage reselling any cisco equipment. (Many authorized resellers get around it as they install whatever software you want and don't bother reporting it to cisco, or charging for it, etc.) In other words, whatever software is installed on any cisco box is _not_ transferable to the next buyer. Rather interesting from the standpoint that one _can't_ remove the software from a cisco 7960, so there is no way to ever resell a used cisco phone legally. (No way to comply with the license terms.) Cisco _does_ keep track of serial numbers by customer, therefore if you try to purchase a license or maintenance from _any_ source, that source has to validate the serial number against the cisco records. If you were not the original purchaser of that serial number, they are not supposed to sell you the license or maintenance agreement. (Just another way to control the used equipment market.) Good product though. ;) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco SIP Firmware Price Increase
Not that I know of I am a Cisco partner and the Category 1 contract is still at least half that or less. He was talking about the SIP-license... Not the SmartNET. If you have a SmartNET, you CAN download the SIP load but to use it, you need the license. I think that's the point; to use sip please pay an additional $150US. Downloading the image is supposedly illegal unless you have a license. Now, what is the true list price of a new 7960 with sip? (Be careful to read the license terms before answering that question.) see Global Pricelist section Cisco IP Telephony Phone User Licenses: SW-SMH-UL-7912 SIP license for single 7912 IP phone D $80 SW-SMH-UL-7912= Spare SIP license for single 7912 IP phone S $80 SW-SMH-UL-7905 SIP or H.323 license for single 7905 IP phoneD $80 SW-SMH-UL-7905= Spare SIP or H.323 license for single 7905 IP phone S $80 SW-SM-UL-7960 SIP and MGCP license for single 7960 IP phoneD $150 SW-SM-UL-7940 SIP and MGCP license for single 7940 IP phoneD $150 So, as you see, the license - at least for 7940/7960 - already costs $150... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
