Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
Michiel van Baak wrote: If you buy a model without the spare in it's name, you have the license to use them right ? To use them with a CCM or CCME, yes :-) How about secondhand phones you get from ebay ? Is my cisco smartnet account enough to run the phone legally ? It's not a spare model (at least that was not in the deal description) My understanding is, if you have any license at all, Cisco will probably not bother you. But it is most definitely not the way they intended :-) Florian ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
Florian Overkamp wrote: Michiel van Baak wrote: If you buy a model without the spare in it's name, you have the license to use them right ? To use them with a CCM or CCME, yes :-) How about secondhand phones you get from ebay ? Is my cisco smartnet account enough to run the phone legally ? It's not a spare model (at least that was not in the deal description) My understanding is, if you have any license at all, Cisco will probably not bother you. But it is most definitely not the way they intended :-) The bottom line are the words in the Cisco license agreement that essentially says none of their firmware licenses are transferable. A purchase from Ebay would be an attempt to transfer the license and therefore illegal. There are some Cisco authorized resellers around that do sell used (or in Cisco terms, reconditioned) phones. Some apparently have the capability to bundle smartnet contracts with the phones, but they are not living up to the actual words in the license. The flip side of this... how many people would it take for Cisco to inventory and enforce their written licenses throughout the world? Another side issue... the Cisco phones have no way to remove the installed firmware. Therefore, there is no way to legally sell a used Cisco phone, period. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
snip Another side issue... the Cisco phones have no way to remove the installed firmware. Therefore, there is no way to legally sell a used Cisco phone, period. As a non Cisco user this whole discussion is enough to steer me away from there VOIP products for good. I hate the idea that you need special permission from them to use hardware you bought legally. You bought it you own it, perhaps there should be some sort of open sourced firmware project for these phones? Dunno, but I hate whoever though up this approach. Marty ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
Good idea. Let's write some open-source firmware for Cisco phones. What will you be contributing? Martin Joseph wrote: snip Another side issue... the Cisco phones have no way to remove the installed firmware. Therefore, there is no way to legally sell a used Cisco phone, period. As a non Cisco user this whole discussion is enough to steer me away from there VOIP products for good. I hate the idea that you need special permission from them to use hardware you bought legally. You bought it you own it, perhaps there should be some sort of open sourced firmware project for these phones? Dunno, but I hate whoever though up this approach. Marty ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Jay Milk wrote: Good idea. Let's write some open-source firmware for Cisco phones. What will you be contributing? Well, it looks like I already contributed the idea didn't I ;~) I don't have any Cisco phones, so if you want to send be a couple I'll take a look at them. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
In my interpretation of the oft confusing Cisco licensing structure for phones, the license was originally created to function much like a COA with a piece of Microsoft software. When adding a client phone to a CallManager or CallManager Express network, the user is required to have a license for the client phone. Cisco phones are sold pre-bundled with a license in their "CH1" form. If there is a "CH1" or "CCME" attached to the part number, it is a licensed bundle. Cisco also offers "spare" versions of their phones, which do not have the "CH1" or "CCME" annotation to the part number. These are unlicensed phones. Cisco phones do not currently ship with SIP firmware loaded. In order to register your phone with Cisco and obtain a login for their TAC and access firmware downloads, you must have a licensed phone. "Spare" versions do not allow you registration with Cisco for access to firmware. Cory J AndrewsVOIPSupply.com454 Sonwil DriveBuffalo, NY 14225++voice - 716.630.1555 X22email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM - B2CORY - Original Message - From: Olivier To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ? 2006/7/7, Florian Overkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Olivier wrote: Do you need to buy an "SIP/MGCP spare licence" (GPL-SW-SM-UL-7960=) along a Cisco 7960 hardphone (GPL-CP-7960G=) when you simply want to connect it to a SIP enabled Asterisk server ? Yes, as far as our sales rep can tell us.How far shall your sales rep be trusted ? ;-))olivier ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
Cory Andrews wrote: In my interpretation of the oft confusing Cisco licensing structure for phones, the license was originally created to function much like a COA with a piece of Microsoft software. When adding a client phone to a CallManager or CallManager Express network, the user is required to have a license for the client phone. Cisco phones are sold pre-bundled with a license in their CH1 form. If there is a CH1 or CCME attached to the part number, it is a licensed bundle. Cisco also offers spare versions of their phones, which do not have the CH1 or CCME annotation to the part number. These are unlicensed phones. Cisco phones do not currently ship with SIP firmware loaded. In order to register your phone with Cisco and obtain a login for their TAC and access firmware downloads, you must have a licensed phone. Spare versions do not allow you registration with Cisco for access to firmware. Point is, you do not really need a CH1 or CCME license, you are free to combine the Spare phone with a separate SIP license - the price is identical. It is NOT OK however to use a Spare phone without any license, as far as I am aware. Florian ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
On 16:44, Sat 08 Jul 06, Florian Overkamp wrote: Point is, you do not really need a CH1 or CCME license, you are free to combine the Spare phone with a separate SIP license - the price is identical. It is NOT OK however to use a Spare phone without any license, as far as I am aware. Thanks for the clarification. freakinng licenses they have there :) If you buy a model without the spare in it's name, you have the license to use them right ? How about secondhand phones you get from ebay ? Is my cisco smartnet account enough to run the phone legally ? It's not a spare model (at least that was not in the deal description) -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do you need a licence to connect a Ciscohardphone to Asterisk ?
Michiel van Baak wrote: On 16:44, Sat 08 Jul 06, Florian Overkamp wrote: Point is, you do not really need a CH1 or CCME license, you are free to combine the Spare phone with a separate SIP license - the price is identical. It is NOT OK however to use a Spare phone without any license, as far as I am aware. Thanks for the clarification. freakinng licenses they have there :) If you buy a model without the spare in it's name, you have the license to use them right ? How about secondhand phones you get from ebay ? Is my cisco smartnet account enough to run the phone legally ? It's not a spare model (at least that was not in the deal description) If you read Cisco's firmware license it specifically prohibits transfer of the license. So if you buy used phones you still have to buy a new SIP license. This is one of the reasons we went with Polycom instead of Cisco. -- Now accepting new clients in Birmingham, Atlanta, Huntsville, Chattanooga, and Montgomery. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
