Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
I thought the price of E1 in Australia was quite reasonable, at least compared to analog. Paul Hales Technical Manager AsteriskIT www.asteriskit.com.au - Original Message - From: Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card By the last sentence I mean that only the person or company holding the A-tick can put the sticker on the cards. Paralell importation refers to 'grey' imports that don't come through the vendors sanctioned distribution channels. For example I know that the fritz! has passed approval because this guy has gone through the approval process. The Australian distributor sells them for $400, I can get them off eBay in Europe for $20 per card - the exact same card. $400 is just pure extortion and is going a hell of a long way to prevent the adoption of Asterisk in this country where BRI is the norm and PRI is outrageously expensive. If I had a spare $20k or so then I'd approve the card myself and sell them at a more realistic price. Craig - Original Message - From: Andrew Furey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card On 5/18/06, Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any device to legally connect to the PSTN in Australia must be approved by the regulatory body. A process that usually costs at least $20,000 and only allows the permit holder to sell the product for conneciton to the pstn. It is a very high barrier to entry for the Australian market. There is a guy in Victoria who certified the Fritz! card and charges $400 each for them. Paralell imports are not allowed to be connected. Ah, so that's why they're so expensive :( Sorry, what do you mean by that last sentence? Andrew -- Linux supports the notion of a command line or a shell for the same reason that only children read books with only pictures in them. Language, be it English or something else, is the only tool flexible enough to accomplish a sufficiently broad range of tasks. -- Bill Garrett ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
Last time I checked with Telstra about 3 months ago, at 7 channels (eg 3.5 BRI services), a 10 channel E1 service (OnRamp10 from Telstra) is cheaper than BRI in terms of monthly line rental (a fair bit more expensive to install though). So if you actually need 4 ISDN ports / 8 lines to connect to the PSTN, then you are actually better off price wise with an E1, assuming you can handle the installation cost. Also, ISDN isn't available everywhere (rural locations), but I think that if you want an E1 they pretty much have to do it for you although I don't know how much of the cost they actually pass on to you. One of the main uses I'd have for a Multi BRI adapter in Australia though is for interfacing to legacy equipment, with an E1 facing the PSTN. 4 ports is still more than I'd need though. James -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2006 09:45 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card I thought the price of E1 in Australia was quite reasonable, at least compared to analog. Paul Hales Technical Manager AsteriskIT www.asteriskit.com.au - Original Message - From: Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card By the last sentence I mean that only the person or company holding the A-tick can put the sticker on the cards. Paralell importation refers to 'grey' imports that don't come through the vendors sanctioned distribution channels. For example I know that the fritz! has passed approval because this guy has gone through the approval process. The Australian distributor sells them for $400, I can get them off eBay in Europe for $20 per card - the exact same card. $400 is just pure extortion and is going a hell of a long way to prevent the adoption of Asterisk in this country where BRI is the norm and PRI is outrageously expensive. If I had a spare $20k or so then I'd approve the card myself and sell them at a more realistic price. Craig - Original Message - From: Andrew Furey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card On 5/18/06, Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any device to legally connect to the PSTN in Australia must be approved by the regulatory body. A process that usually costs at least $20,000 and only allows the permit holder to sell the product for conneciton to the pstn. It is a very high barrier to entry for the Australian market. There is a guy in Victoria who certified the Fritz! card and charges $400 each for them. Paralell imports are not allowed to be connected. Ah, so that's why they're so expensive :( Sorry, what do you mean by that last sentence? Andrew -- Linux supports the notion of a command line or a shell for the same reason that only children read books with only pictures in them. Language, be it English or something else, is the only tool flexible enough to accomplish a sufficiently broad range of tasks. -- Bill Garrett ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
By the last sentence I mean that only the person or company holding the A-tick can put the sticker on the cards. Paralell importation refers to 'grey' imports that don't come through the vendors sanctioned distribution channels. For example I know that the fritz! has passed approval because this guy has gone through the approval process. The Australian distributor sells them for $400, I can get them off eBay in Europe for $20 per card - the exact same card. $400 is just pure extortion and is going a hell of a long way to prevent the adoption of Asterisk in this country where BRI is the norm and PRI is outrageously expensive. If I had a spare $20k or so then I'd approve the card myself and sell them at a more realistic price. Craig - Original Message - From: Andrew Furey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card On 5/18/06, Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any device to legally connect to the PSTN in Australia must be approved by the regulatory body. A process that usually costs at least $20,000 and only allows the permit holder to sell the product for conneciton to the pstn. It is a very high barrier to entry for the Australian market. There is a guy in Victoria who certified the Fritz! card and charges $400 each for them. Paralell imports are not allowed to be connected. Ah, so that's why they're so expensive :( Sorry, what do you mean by that last sentence? Andrew -- Linux supports the notion of a command line or a shell for the same reason that only children read books with only pictures in them. Language, be it English or something else, is the only tool flexible enough to accomplish a sufficiently broad range of tasks. -- Bill Garrett ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 5/17/06, Hadley Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They do, but it isn't released yet. Put B410P into google and you will get a couple of hits. Digium's marketing page says it is available and the distributor I use had one on show the other day so they can't be too far away. Aside from being available.. What driver does it use? Will it be needing bristuff ? (that wouldn't work I guess) Or will the near future integrate BRI ( and hfc?) drivers in asterisk? And thus, making bristuff obsolete? (wich means, BRI users will be able to use cvs easily..) Just to make clear I'm very curious on this card. And yes I'm in europe ;) cheers ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Thursday 18 May 2006 18:35, stoffell wrote: Aside from being available.. What driver does it use? Will it be needing bristuff ? (that wouldn't work I guess) Or will the near future integrate BRI ( and hfc?) drivers in asterisk? And thus, making bristuff obsolete? (wich means, BRI users will be able to use cvs easily..) Just to make clear I'm very curious on this card. And yes I'm in europe ;) I'm curious too, unfortunately I don't know anything more about it sorry. hads. -- The means-and-ends moralists, or non-doers, always end up on their ends without any means. -- Saul Alinsky ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Thursday 18 May 2006 03:35, Mark Coccimiglio wrote: Otherwise the Diva server cards are a good option (extensive, but come highly recomended from most that I hear). Good luck and happy hunting. Ouch, you weren't joking. 1453 Euro! -- Cheers Wayne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 18/05/2006, at 6:51 PM, Wayne Gemmell wrote: are a good option (extensive, but come highly recomended from most that I hear). Good luck and happy hunting. Ouch, you weren't joking. 1453 Euro! But worth every penny, imo. I have a few servers running Eicon Diva Server V-4BRI cards and they are easy to install, run great with Armin's chan_capi-cm and the onboard hardware echo cancellation is excellent. cYa, Avi -- National Manager - Special Projects Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London / 2/340 Gore StreetT: +61 (0) 3 9486 0411 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9486 0611 3065 W: http://www.squiz.net . Open Source - Own It - Squiz.net .. / ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 19:16, Thu 18 May 06, Avi Miller wrote: On 18/05/2006, at 6:51 PM, Wayne Gemmell wrote: are a good option (extensive, but come highly recomended from most that I hear). Good luck and happy hunting. Ouch, you weren't joking. 1453 Euro! But worth every penny, imo. I have a few servers running Eicon Diva Server V-4BRI cards and they are easy to install, run great with Armin's chan_capi-cm and the onboard hardware echo cancellation is excellent. We use the junghanns.net quadbri cards. They work great too, and roughly 1/3 of the price. -- Michiel van Baak http://michiel.vanbaak.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7E0B9A2D Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
stoffell wrote: Aside from being available.. What driver does it use? Will it be needing bristuff ? (that wouldn't work I guess) The Digium B410P will use the mISDN stack and chan_misdn for Asterisk. Or will the near future integrate BRI ( and hfc?) drivers in asterisk? And thus, making bristuff obsolete? (wich means, BRI users will be able to use cvs easily..) No, that will not happen, unless the authors of those drivers want to disclaim them for inclusion into Zaptel and Asterisk. Just to make clear I'm very curious on this card. And yes I'm in europe ;) As another poster mentioned, the B410P card is definitely targeted at the non-US market... not because the card would not work here, but because there is very little availability of BRI lines in the US at all. Most telcos don't even know what they are if you ask :-) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Thursday 18 May 2006 03:35, Mark Coccimiglio wrote: Otherwise the Diva server cards are a good option (extensive, but come highly recomended from most that I hear). Good luck and happy hunting. Ouch, you weren't joking. 1453 Euro! What about the Gerdes Primux Cards. They can be used in NT and TE Mode. Price ~ 670.- EURO We have a 2S0 card running on a customer site with chan_capi-cm and all looks good. Have a look at http://www.primuxisdn.de Perhaps it helps... Regards Guido ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
From the picture on the web site it looks like it uses a cologne chipset. Any idea if these cards will be available in Australia? Craig - Original Message - From: Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card stoffell wrote: Aside from being available.. What driver does it use? Will it be needing bristuff ? (that wouldn't work I guess) The Digium B410P will use the mISDN stack and chan_misdn for Asterisk. Or will the near future integrate BRI ( and hfc?) drivers in asterisk? And thus, making bristuff obsolete? (wich means, BRI users will be able to use cvs easily..) No, that will not happen, unless the authors of those drivers want to disclaim them for inclusion into Zaptel and Asterisk. Just to make clear I'm very curious on this card. And yes I'm in europe ;) As another poster mentioned, the B410P card is definitely targeted at the non-US market... not because the card would not work here, but because there is very little availability of BRI lines in the US at all. Most telcos don't even know what they are if you ask :-) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 22:32, Thu 18 May 06, Craig Guy wrote: From the picture on the web site it looks like it uses a cologne chipset. Any idea if these cards will be available in Australia? Can't you just order them from the digium website? Or is digium not shiping to Australia? -- Michiel van Baak http://michiel.vanbaak.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7E0B9A2D Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
Craig Guy wrote: From the picture on the web site it looks like it uses a cologne chipset. Any idea if these cards will be available in Australia? (Please to trim your replies and not reply in the middle of quoted text...) The cards will be available through all normal Digium distribution channels. Availability in specific countries will depend on certification and approval processes in those countries, though. We will even allow US users to buy them, although I have no idea what they will do with them :-) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
Any device to legally connect to the PSTN in Australia must be approved by the regulatory body. A process that usually costs at least $20,000 and only allows the permit holder to sell the product for conneciton to the pstn. It is a very high barrier to entry for the Australian market. There is a guy in Victoria who certified the Fritz! card and charges $400 each for them. Paralell imports are not allowed to be connected. Some manufacturers do the right thing by certifying the card themselves (Eicon for example). Other manufacturers such as AVM leave it to the distributor to certify the card for the local market. The difference is that I can buy an Eicon card off eBay from the US or Europe and legally connect it to the PSTN in Australia as the card comes from the factory carrying the regulartory approval mark. If i was to buy AVM, Digium or Sangoma from another country I'm out of luck cause it doesn't carry the approval sticker that the Australian distributor puts on it. I can understand both points of view - as a customer I want a competitive market so I get value for money. As a distributor I want an exclusive territory so I can jack up the prices to whatever the market will bear without being undercut by nasty competition. Craig - Original Message - From: Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card On 22:32, Thu 18 May 06, Craig Guy wrote: From the picture on the web site it looks like it uses a cologne chipset. Any idea if these cards will be available in Australia? Can't you just order them from the digium website? Or is digium not shiping to Australia? -- Michiel van Baak http://michiel.vanbaak.info [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7E0B9A2D Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 22:32, Thu 18 May 06, Craig Guy wrote: From the picture on the web site it looks like it uses a cologne chipset. Any idea if these cards will be available in Australia? Can't you just order them from the digium website? Or is digium not shiping to Australia? To legally connect any telephony hardware to the phone network in Australia it has to be 'A-Tick' approved. Last time I enquired, at least one distributor had obtained a pre-release version of the card and was doing to A-Tick certification on them, so yes they should be available in Australia at some point in the near future. (cheer!) James ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On 5/18/06, Craig Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any device to legally connect to the PSTN in Australia must be approved by the regulatory body. A process that usually costs at least $20,000 and only allows the permit holder to sell the product for conneciton to the pstn. It is a very high barrier to entry for the Australian market. There is a guy in Victoria who certified the Fritz! card and charges $400 each for them. Paralell imports are not allowed to be connected. Ah, so that's why they're so expensive :( Sorry, what do you mean by that last sentence? Andrew -- Linux supports the notion of a command line or a shell for the same reason that only children read books with only pictures in them. Language, be it English or something else, is the only tool flexible enough to accomplish a sufficiently broad range of tasks. -- Bill Garrett ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
Hi all Does Digium make a quad BRI card? I can't see anything of the sort on their page but I thought they might call it something else in the States. Failing that, can anyone recommend a make/model that would handle 4 BRI ports? -- Cheers Wayne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Thursday 18 May 2006 08:59, Wayne Gemmell wrote: Does Digium make a quad BRI card? I can't see anything of the sort on their page but I thought they might call it something else in the States. They do, but it isn't released yet. Put B410P into google and you will get a couple of hits. Digium's marketing page says it is available and the distributor I use had one on show the other day so they can't be too far away. Failing that, can anyone recommend a make/model that would handle 4 BRI ports? Many people seem to like the Eicon Diva cards. HTH hads -- A Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. -- Kirk, The Menagerie, stardate 3012.4 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 23:14, Hadley Rich wrote: Does Digium make a quad BRI card? I can't see anything of the sort on their page but I thought they might call it something else in the States. They do, but it isn't released yet. Put B410P into google and you will get a couple of hits. Digium's marketing page says it is available and the distributor I use had one on show the other day so they can't be too far away. Failing that, can anyone recommend a make/model that would handle 4 BRI ports? Many people seem to like the Eicon Diva cards. Thanks, I'll give it a shot... -- Cheers Wayne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Wayne Gemmell wrote: On Wednesday 17 May 2006 23:14, Hadley Rich wrote: Does Digium make a quad BRI card? I can't see anything of the sort on their page but I thought they might call it something else in the States. They do, but it isn't released yet. Put B410P into google and you will get a couple of hits. Digium's marketing page says it is available and the distributor I use had one on show the other day so they can't be too far away. Failing that, can anyone recommend a make/model that would handle 4 BRI ports? Many people seem to like the Eicon Diva cards. Thanks, I'll give it a shot... To be more specific, they are called Eicon DIVA Server cards. Normaly the client cards (passive cards) are just called diva. Armin ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Quad BRI card
From what I understand the B410P us intended for use OUTSIDE North America. I contacted them a little over a month ago looking for a USA compatable card and was told that there isn't sufficient market for the hardware. Oh well, so if you are in Europe or most other places you will have a Digium option soon enough. Otherwise the Diva server cards are a good option (extensive, but come highly recomended from most that I hear). Good luck and happy hunting. Mark C VoIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wayne Gemmell wrote: Hi all Does Digium make a quad BRI card? I can't see anything of the sort on their page but I thought they might call it something else in the States. Failing that, can anyone recommend a make/model that would handle 4 BRI ports? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
