[asterisk-users] 800 number portability
Apologies for the off topic post... hoping someone knows if 800 number portability in the states is legally enforced? One of my customers is being told by their current vanity 800 provider that they own the number and refuse to release it to their new carrier. I thought I understood that in 1991 the FCC mandated portability by 1993. Are they bluffing? They want a 3 year buyout to release the number! j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@jeff.net wrote: Apologies for the off topic post... hoping someone knows if 800 number portability in the states is legally enforced? One of my customers is being told by their current vanity 800 provider that they own the number and refuse to release it to their new carrier. I thought I understood that in 1991 the FCC mandated portability by 1993. Are they bluffing? They want a 3 year buyout to release the number! j It may depend on the way the vanity number was obtained. I bought mine from tollfreenumbers.com or whatever and they are mine with docs to back it up. Perhaps if obtained in another fashion, the fine print may say differently. More explanation of where the numbers came from and any contractual obligations may help. Similarly, there used to be and probably still are places that would allow you to register a domain name for free or close to it. In the fine print was the fact that the domain name was not yours, they registered it on your behalf, in their name. A year later you got a renewal bill or some such and if you wanted to move it, you had to pay through the nose. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) +12024369784 (Skype) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability
Changing toll-free RespOrgs (Responsible Organizations) is different from number portability. That said, the owner of a toll-free number has the right to change RespOrgs, so the question is Who is the owner? Has your customer been buying simple toll-free service and owned the number all along, or are they buying some sort of enhanced service and the provider owns the number? --Don Don Kelly PCF Corp People Come First 651 842-1000 888 Don Kell(y) 651 842-1001 fax -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff LaCoursiere Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:39 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability Apologies for the off topic post... hoping someone knows if 800 number portability in the states is legally enforced? One of my customers is being told by their current vanity 800 provider that they own the number and refuse to release it to their new carrier. I thought I understood that in 1991 the FCC mandated portability by 1993. Are they bluffing? They want a 3 year buyout to release the number! j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Don Kelly wrote: Changing toll-free RespOrgs (Responsible Organizations) is different from number portability. That said, the owner of a toll-free number has the right to change RespOrgs, so the question is Who is the owner? The owner in this case is CallSource (www.callsource.com). Funny enough, it looks a lot like the kind of stuff you do, Don ;) So I guess my disconnect is that a party can own an 800 number, but have it routed by the RespOrg of their choice? In this case my client must be renting the 800 number from CallSource, and they are the actual owner, so are refusing to let it go. Does that sound right? Has your customer been buying simple toll-free service and owned the number all along, or are they buying some sort of enhanced service and the provider owns the number? I assumed it was simple 800 service (and in fact at first they told me it was ATT they were getting the service from). It seems that this is actually something enhanced. Cheers, j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability
There are national number rental agencies that lease out prime 800 numbers even down to the rate center level. They own the number, not the renter, and there is a contract that says so. Cary Fitch -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff LaCoursiere Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:08 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Don Kelly wrote: Changing toll-free RespOrgs (Responsible Organizations) is different from number portability. That said, the owner of a toll-free number has the right to change RespOrgs, so the question is Who is the owner? The owner in this case is CallSource (www.callsource.com). Funny enough, it looks a lot like the kind of stuff you do, Don ;) So I guess my disconnect is that a party can own an 800 number, but have it routed by the RespOrg of their choice? In this case my client must be renting the 800 number from CallSource, and they are the actual owner, so are refusing to let it go. Does that sound right? Has your customer been buying simple toll-free service and owned the number all along, or are they buying some sort of enhanced service and the provider owns the number? I assumed it was simple 800 service (and in fact at first they told me it was ATT they were getting the service from). It seems that this is actually something enhanced. Cheers, j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 800 number portability
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Don Kelly wrote: Changing toll-free RespOrgs (Responsible Organizations) is different from number portability. That said, the owner of a toll-free number has the right to change RespOrgs, so the question is Who is the owner? The owner in this case is CallSource (www.callsource.com). Funny enough, it looks a lot like the kind of stuff you do, Don ;) So I guess my disconnect is that a party can own an 800 number, but have it routed by the RespOrg of their choice? In this case my client must be renting the 800 number from CallSource, and they are the actual owner, so are refusing to let it go. Does that sound right? Has your customer been buying simple toll-free service and owned the number all along, or are they buying some sort of enhanced service and the provider owns the number? I assumed it was simple 800 service (and in fact at first they told me it was ATT they were getting the service from). It seems that this is actually something enhanced. Cheers, j Yes, someone can own a number and transfer service from one RespOrg to another to save a few bucks or get better or different service. If your client originally got the number from CallSource, it probably belongs to CallSource. If they got it from someone else and transferred to CallSource they would have a different argument. At www.callsource.com/services/numbers.php CallSource says Own your tracking numbers. CallSource is one of the few call tracking vendors that will transfer permanent ownership of numbers to you. I think the reasonable person would rely on this statement and not expect they would want three-years' payment for it. Does your customer have their original contract? --Don ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
