Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-29 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Tim Nelson wrote:
 Greetings-
 
 I've got a curious project that I could use some input on. I'd like to use
 Asterisk to record some audio channels via USB 'soundcard'. When audio
 passes through the soundcard, Asterisk should grab that audio channel
 (CONSOLE?), and write it to a wav file. I'm perfectly competent with the
 dialplan portion of the recording, but I don't know about the following:
 
 -How does Asterisk know a new audio stream/source is beginning/ending?
 -Can I have more than one CONSOLE device
 -Is ALSA or OSS the preferred audio system with Asterisk these days
 (Asterisk 11 presumably)
 
 Any thoughts? Or, do you have any alternative ideas that would work better
 than using Asterisk for this?

Do you need to use Asterisk for this?  What's wrong with using the rec 
command?

$ rec -b8 -r8k -c1 file01.wav


Also, please -- and don't take this too personally, because you are by no 
means the only guilty party; this applies to other users as well, and they 
know who they are -- when asking questions on this list, please try not to 
come across sounding furtive or evasive.  Not only is it easier to answer a 
question with too much information than too little, but a question asked with 
such an air of secrecy about it actually dissuades people from offering help.  
It looks as though you are deliberately concealing information because you 
don't trust us not to steal an idea for which you are about to take the full 
credit.  This is contrary to the very spirit of the mailing list, which is all 
about sharing information, and people will naturally close ranks to squeeze 
out that sort of behaviour.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-29 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message -
 On Tuesday 28 May 2013, Tim Nelson wrote:
  Greetings-
  
  I've got a curious project that I could use some input on. I'd like
  to use
  Asterisk to record some audio channels via USB 'soundcard'. When
  audio
  passes through the soundcard, Asterisk should grab that audio
  channel
  (CONSOLE?), and write it to a wav file. I'm perfectly competent
  with the
  dialplan portion of the recording, but I don't know about the
  following:
  
  -How does Asterisk know a new audio stream/source is
  beginning/ending?
  -Can I have more than one CONSOLE device
  -Is ALSA or OSS the preferred audio system with Asterisk these days
  (Asterisk 11 presumably)
  
  Any thoughts? Or, do you have any alternative ideas that would work
  better
  than using Asterisk for this?
 
 Do you need to use Asterisk for this?  What's wrong with using the
 rec
 command?
 
 $ rec -b8 -r8k -c1 file01.wav
 

That is a good suggestion, but of course I'd need to add some 'magic' for 
control of the recording at various intervals, after silences, etc.

 
 Also, please -- and don't take this too personally, because you are
 by no
 means the only guilty party; this applies to other users as well, and
 they
 know who they are -- when asking questions on this list, please try
 not to
 come across sounding furtive or evasive.  Not only is it easier to
 answer a
 question with too much information than too little, but a question
 asked with
 such an air of secrecy about it actually dissuades people from
 offering help.

It was not my intent to come across this way. To be honest, the project I'm 
working on isn't even completely fleshed out, and I too am slightly 'in the 
dark' on details. I was simply doing some preemptive investigative work into 
the software side of things.

 It looks as though you are deliberately concealing information
 because you
 don't trust us not to steal an idea for which you are about to take
 the full
 credit.  This is contrary to the very spirit of the mailing list,
 which is all
 about sharing information, and people will naturally close ranks to
 squeeze
 out that sort of behaviour.
 

Your position is understood, but incorrect in this case. And, again, there is 
no deliberate concealment, only a lack of details on my part. :/

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-29 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message -
 You are still being a bit evasive but should I understand that you
 want
 to run a headless machine with open microphones that records what
 ever
 it hears?
 What do you want to do with each sound bite?
 How long does the silence have to be before you close the recording
 and
 dispose of it (save, e-mail, upload, whatever).
 
 Sounds like a security monitoring package (minus the video) should do
 the job?
 

Thanks for the info, I will have a look at those.

 A little Googleing shows up these.
 http://oreka.sourceforge.net/about/
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recording-internal-audio-in-ubuntu.html
 
 What else do you want it to do?

No idea at this point. I'm just doing some preemptive legwork for a project 
coming down the pipe.

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-29 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message -
 
 I'll take a stab, since you said no GUI and also USB based mic.
 Raspberry Pi project?  I'm interested in this vein as well,

Nope, the RPi is not a component. BUT, a good suggestion for a small board. 
I'll keep it in mind.

 especially
 after the recent post about voice recognition.  I was thinking that
 Raspberry Pi's with mics could live around my house and all have
 dedicated always-open channels to a conference bridge in the main
 asterisk box.   I was planning on using ALSA and a USB mic on a local
 Raspberry Pi asterisk instance.

Very interesting. You could use the CONSOLE for the audio device and at the 
same time get the ability to make/take calls via Asterisk CLI or .call files.

 
 So given that we know basically what you are trying to do, the
 original
 question was OSS versus ALSA for USB mic, correct?  Has anyone had
 any
 thoughts on that?  I thought ALSA was built in to the kernel and OSS
 required some hacks.  But that is a pretty fuzzy recollection.
 

I think it depends on the kernel being used. Research is needed, but IIRC, you 
are correct, ALSA is included or at least fully supported whereas other sound 
systems are 'less than stellar'.

--Tim

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[asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Tim Nelson
Greetings-

I've got a curious project that I could use some input on. I'd like to use 
Asterisk to record some audio channels via USB 'soundcard'. When audio passes 
through the soundcard, Asterisk should grab that audio channel (CONSOLE?), and 
write it to a wav file. I'm perfectly competent with the dialplan portion of 
the recording, but I don't know about the following:

-How does Asterisk know a new audio stream/source is beginning/ending?
-Can I have more than one CONSOLE device
-Is ALSA or OSS the preferred audio system with Asterisk these days (Asterisk 
11 presumably)

Any thoughts? Or, do you have any alternative ideas that would work better than 
using Asterisk for this?

Thanks!

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Ron Wheeler

What are you trying to accomplish?

What is the USB 'sound card' attached to?

Your description is too cryptic for someone to propose a solution.

Ron

On 28/05/2013 12:45 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

Greetings-

I've got a curious project that I could use some input on. I'd like to use 
Asterisk to record some audio channels via USB 'soundcard'. When audio passes 
through the soundcard, Asterisk should grab that audio channel (CONSOLE?), and 
write it to a wav file. I'm perfectly competent with the dialplan portion of 
the recording, but I don't know about the following:

-How does Asterisk know a new audio stream/source is beginning/ending?
-Can I have more than one CONSOLE device
-Is ALSA or OSS the preferred audio system with Asterisk these days (Asterisk 
11 presumably)

Any thoughts? Or, do you have any alternative ideas that would work better than 
using Asterisk for this?

Thanks!

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message -
 What are you trying to accomplish?
 
 What is the USB 'sound card' attached to?
 
 Your description is too cryptic for someone to propose a solution.
 

The target use is to record mic level audio from various devices (could be an 
omnidirectional room mike, phone handset, etc).

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Ron Wheeler

On 28/05/2013 1:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

- Original Message -

What are you trying to accomplish?

What is the USB 'sound card' attached to?

Your description is too cryptic for someone to propose a solution.


The target use is to record mic level audio from various devices (could be an 
omnidirectional room mike, phone handset, etc).

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Ron Wheeler

Sorry for the blank message. Fingers pressed send while brain was disenaged.

Would Audacity be a better choice?
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Multichannel_Recording

Ron


On 28/05/2013 1:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

- Original Message -

What are you trying to accomplish?

What is the USB 'sound card' attached to?

Your description is too cryptic for someone to propose a solution.


The target use is to record mic level audio from various devices (could be an 
omnidirectional room mike, phone handset, etc).

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Tim Nelson
- Original Message -
 Sorry for the blank message. Fingers pressed send while brain was
 disenaged.
 
 Would Audacity be a better choice?
 http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Multichannel_Recording
 

It would absolutely be a better solution. However, the recording is to be 
automated on a small system with no GUI, only console/SSH access. As such, 
running a full featured audio recording/mixing application in realtime (with 
user control) is not an option. :/

--Tim

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Ron Wheeler
You are still being a bit evasive but should I understand that you want 
to run a headless machine with open microphones that records what ever 
it hears?

What do you want to do with each sound bite?
How long does the silence have to be before you close the recording and 
dispose of it (save, e-mail, upload, whatever).


Sounds like a security monitoring package (minus the video) should do 
the job?


A little Googleing shows up these.
http://oreka.sourceforge.net/about/
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recording-internal-audio-in-ubuntu.html

What else do you want it to do?

Ron

On 28/05/2013 2:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

- Original Message -

Sorry for the blank message. Fingers pressed send while brain was
disenaged.

Would Audacity be a better choice?
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Multichannel_Recording


It would absolutely be a better solution. However, the recording is to be 
automated on a small system with no GUI, only console/SSH access. As such, 
running a full featured audio recording/mixing application in realtime (with 
user control) is not an option. :/

--Tim




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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere


I'll take a stab, since you said no GUI and also USB based mic. 
Raspberry Pi project?  I'm interested in this vein as well, especially 
after the recent post about voice recognition.  I was thinking that 
Raspberry Pi's with mics could live around my house and all have 
dedicated always-open channels to a conference bridge in the main 
asterisk box.   I was planning on using ALSA and a USB mic on a local 
Raspberry Pi asterisk instance.


So given that we know basically what you are trying to do, the original 
question was OSS versus ALSA for USB mic, correct?  Has anyone had any 
thoughts on that?  I thought ALSA was built in to the kernel and OSS 
required some hacks.  But that is a pretty fuzzy recollection.


j

On 05/28/2013 03:10 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
You are still being a bit evasive but should I understand that you 
want to run a headless machine with open microphones that records what 
ever it hears?

What do you want to do with each sound bite?
How long does the silence have to be before you close the recording 
and dispose of it (save, e-mail, upload, whatever).


Sounds like a security monitoring package (minus the video) should do 
the job?


A little Googleing shows up these.
http://oreka.sourceforge.net/about/
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recording-internal-audio-in-ubuntu.html

What else do you want it to do?

Ron

On 28/05/2013 2:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

- Original Message -

Sorry for the blank message. Fingers pressed send while brain was
disenaged.

Would Audacity be a better choice?
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Multichannel_Recording

It would absolutely be a better solution. However, the recording is 
to be automated on a small system with no GUI, only console/SSH 
access. As such, running a full featured audio recording/mixing 
application in realtime (with user control) is not an option. :/


--Tim







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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk - Soundcard - Recording?

2013-05-28 Thread Jitesh Gala
So what is the fix for it?

It was working all fine, all of a sudden it stopped working.

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I'll take a stab, since you said no GUI and also USB based mic. 
Raspberry Pi project?  I'm interested in this vein as well, especially 
after the recent post about voice recognition.  I was thinking that 
Raspberry Pi's with mics could live around my house and all have 
dedicated always-open channels to a conference bridge in the main 
asterisk box.   I was planning on using ALSA and a USB mic on a local 
Raspberry Pi asterisk instance.

So given that we know basically what you are trying to do, the original 
question was OSS versus ALSA for USB mic, correct?  Has anyone had any 
thoughts on that?  I thought ALSA was built in to the kernel and OSS 
required some hacks.  But that is a pretty fuzzy recollection.

j

On 05/28/2013 03:10 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
 You are still being a bit evasive but should I understand that you 
 want to run a headless machine with open microphones that records what 
 ever it hears?
 What do you want to do with each sound bite?
 How long does the silence have to be before you close the recording 
 and dispose of it (save, e-mail, upload, whatever).

 Sounds like a security monitoring package (minus the video) should do 
 the job?

 A little Googleing shows up these.
 http://oreka.sourceforge.net/about/
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-recording-internal-audio-in-ubuntu.html

 What else do you want it to do?

 Ron

 On 28/05/2013 2:23 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:
 - Original Message -
 Sorry for the blank message. Fingers pressed send while brain was
 disenaged.

 Would Audacity be a better choice?
 http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Multichannel_Recording

 It would absolutely be a better solution. However, the recording is 
 to be automated on a small system with no GUI, only console/SSH 
 access. As such, running a full featured audio recording/mixing 
 application in realtime (with user control) is not an option. :/

 --Tim





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