Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Quote We had a master source location.with a master image We cloned the hard drive with linux dd copy of master image Did the dd to clone it actually work on RAID devices Mike Trest - On Travel wrote: -Original Message- I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. Hi, I will contribute my 2-cents on how I maintained consistency on a large application with 64 + Asterisks that all had to have the same config and links back to a central DB. Whenever we needed a new machine, we just We had a master source location.with a master image We cloned the hard drive with linux dd copy of master image boot the new machine with this disk assign appropriate IP address perform some sanity checks prior to shipping Send either disk or full machine to remote COLO for physical install. After the machine came on line, it would have enough configuration to join the other members of the farm of asterisks. For intermediate updates, we used SSL-DSA keys between the master master image machine and each of the 64+ remotes. We would wrote our own script and gave it a list of each machine on which to perform the particular steps. When it was launched, we just went out to lunch or home at night while the remotes were updated. This application had as many as 6,000 simultaneous call running and we wrote the scripts such that each remote were placed in a take no calls status by the script so we did not kill any active traffic. We found that no canned package was useful to do this because each maintenance cycle was addressing a different part of the overall configuration and had slightly different commands that were needed. Any good script writer can do the same for what you described. Regards, ..mike.. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
why yes, my rsync does that just fine, you must not be running
the latest version
Steve Edwards wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Bernd Felsche wrote:
Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has
to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces
so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses
on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync.
Why do you think that that would preclude rsync?
Well, it may be based on my ignorance :)
Can rsync mung a stanza from iax.conf like:
[general]
disallow = all
allow = ulaw
mailboxdetail = no
notransfer = yes
port= 5036
register= ${HOSTNAME}:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
trunk = no
and insert the appropriate values?
Can rsync create /etc/sysconfig/openser like:
# Created by ./host-setup.sh on 2008-04-12 17:55:03
OPTIONS=
OPTIONS=$OPTIONS -l a.b.c.d:5060
OPTIONS=$OPTIONS -l a.b.c.e:5060
# (end of /etc/sysconfig/openser)
where a.b.c.d and a.b.c.e are the IP address of eth0 and eth1? (And the
3rd line would only be created if there are 2 interfaces.)
Thanks in advance,
Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST
Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000
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Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:39:39PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Double-plus cool. I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. I smell a magazine article. :-) That works, but I'm impatient. I'm up for peer review before publication. Understood. Real Magazines tend to be picky about first pub, though. The answer to the second question is likely going to become rsync or cfengine, but I haven't gotten that far yet... and we don't change them all that much anyway. VICIdial has *lots* of knobs. I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync. True. That's why I was leaning towards cfengine, which I gather is tuned for that sort of thing. I currently do it with shell scripts but I'm looking for something a bit more sophisticated. Puppet (http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/AboutPuppet) was suggested during the Friday morning VOIP Users Conference. It's open source and written in Ruby. I just feel a bit silly installing yet another language just to support a support tool. Indeed. The shell script approach has the advantage of light weight. I do a minimal Centos 5 install and wget a single script which does everything -- configures the network, installs packages (OpenSER, Asterisk, Zaptel, Libpri, MySQL), adds users, and configures everything from services to timezone. I may stick with it, but it's getting a bit combersome and am interested in what has worked for others. Noted. Our solution may not help you all that much; I gather that with the exception of one small chunk of one file, all our boxen are configured exactly the same. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:02:26AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it may be based on my ignorance :) Can rsync mung a stanza from iax.conf like: why yes, my rsync does that just fine, you must not be running the latest version April Fools Day was 2 weeks ago, Al. :-) rsync, to the best of my knowledge and belief, does not make any sort of changes to the files it pushes -- it merely pushes the changes you make. So if you need a given file, let's say extensions.conf, to contain different things on different machines, then using rsync to push it from one master will in fact probably not work the way you want it to. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:39:39PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: The shell script approach has the advantage of light weight. I do a minimal Centos 5 install and wget a single script which does everything -- configures the network, installs packages (OpenSER, Asterisk, Zaptel, Libpri, MySQL), adds users, and configures everything from services to timezone. I may stick with it, but it's getting a bit combersome and am interested in what has worked for others. Noted. Our solution may not help you all that much; I gather that with the exception of one small chunk of one file, all our boxen are configured exactly the same. It is actually two small chunks of two small files in Asterisk and one line in the vicidial conf file, and that's about it for unique server configurations, everything else is pretty much the same. We did recently add a custom backup utility to our SVN for VICIDIAL(AST_backup.pl) that will backup all conf files, agi, sound and other files(optionally web files and mysql DB and my.cnf backup) and tar/gz them then send to FTP server. This has worked well for multi-server backups for a couple of our clients so far and it will be included with the next release of VICIDIAL. The idea behind the script is to create a very simple hot-spare solution where all you have to do to replace a running machine is change the IP address of the spare server and un-tar/gz the file on a base-installed system and it will take the place of the failed machine within minutes. We haven't had to use it in production in this capacity yet, but it has worked in testing. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Steve, Is this 'shell script' on the public domain? As it sounds really useful. :) Mark. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Edwards Sent: April 13, 2008 7:40 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:40:44PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:45PM -0700, Eugen Soare wrote: That was cool! thanks for the pdf. I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Double-plus cool. I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. I smell a magazine article. :-) That works, but I'm impatient. I'm up for peer review before publication. The answer to the second question is likely going to become rsync or cfengine, but I haven't gotten that far yet... and we don't change them all that much anyway. VICIdial has *lots* of knobs. I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync. I currently do it with shell scripts but I'm looking for something a bit more sophisticated. Puppet (http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/AboutPuppet) was suggested during the Friday morning VOIP Users Conference. It's open source and written in Ruby. I just feel a bit silly installing yet another language just to support a support tool. The shell script approach has the advantage of light weight. I do a minimal Centos 5 install and wget a single script which does everything -- configures the network, installs packages (OpenSER, Asterisk, Zaptel, Libpri, MySQL), adds users, and configures everything from services to timezone. I may stick with it, but it's getting a bit combersome and am interested in what has worked for others. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
-Original Message- I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. Hi, I will contribute my 2-cents on how I maintained consistency on a large application with 64 + Asterisks that all had to have the same config and links back to a central DB. Whenever we needed a new machine, we just We had a master source location.with a master image We cloned the hard drive with linux dd copy of master image boot the new machine with this disk assign appropriate IP address perform some sanity checks prior to shipping Send either disk or full machine to remote COLO for physical install. After the machine came on line, it would have enough configuration to join the other members of the farm of asterisks. For intermediate updates, we used SSL-DSA keys between the master master image machine and each of the 64+ remotes. We would wrote our own script and gave it a list of each machine on which to perform the particular steps. When it was launched, we just went out to lunch or home at night while the remotes were updated. This application had as many as 6,000 simultaneous call running and we wrote the scripts such that each remote were placed in a take no calls status by the script so we did not kill any active traffic. We found that no canned package was useful to do this because each maintenance cycle was addressing a different part of the overall configuration and had slightly different commands that were needed. Any good script writer can do the same for what you described. Regards, ..mike.. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
I'm glad so much has been sent about on the thread I create (bloated ego head :) ) It has gotten my curiosity up. What is VICIDIAL? Is it Public Domain? Pay for Software? What's it all about? (not looking for all the features, maybe I should put my understanding of it's functions and people can correct me.) It seems to be a software product that can handle call centers, be they in coming our out going calls. Has modules to take credit cards / and is customizable so that added functionality can be written. This is been very interesting! es Matt Florell wrote: On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:39:39PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: The "shell script" approach has the advantage of "light weight." I do a "minimal" Centos 5 install and wget a single script which does everything -- configures the network, installs packages (OpenSER, Asterisk, Zaptel, Libpri, MySQL), adds users, and configures everything from services to timezone. I may stick with it, but it's getting a bit combersome and am interested in what has worked for others. Noted. Our solution may not help you all that much; I gather that with the exception of one small chunk of one file, all our boxen are configured exactly the same. It is actually two small chunks of two small files in Asterisk and one line in the vicidial conf file, and that's about it for unique server configurations, everything else is pretty much the same. We did recently add a custom backup utility to our SVN for VICIDIAL(AST_backup.pl) that will backup all conf files, agi, sound and other files(optionally web files and mysql DB and my.cnf backup) and tar/gz them then send to FTP server. This has worked well for multi-server backups for a couple of our clients so far and it will be included with the next release of VICIDIAL. The idea behind the script is to create a very simple hot-spare solution where all you have to do to replace a running machine is change the IP address of the spare server and un-tar/gz the file on a base-installed system and it will take the place of the failed machine within minutes. We haven't had to use it in production in this capacity yet, but it has worked in testing. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On 4/14/08, Eugen Soare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad so much has been sent about on the thread I create (bloated ego head :) ) It has gotten my curiosity up. What is VICIDIAL? Is it Public Domain? Pay for Software? What's it all about? (not looking for all the features, maybe I should put my understanding of it's functions and people can correct me.) It seems to be a software product that can handle call centers, be they in coming our out going calls. Has modules to take credit cards / and is customizable so that added functionality can be written. This is been very interesting! es Hello, VICIDIAL is call center software for Asterisk. It is designed around Asterisk, not compiled into Asterisk. VICIDIAL takes a different approach to the call center application from how Asterisk inbound Queues/Agents does it, since it uses Meetme rooms to house the agents allowing for more consistency across versions of Asterisk as well as a lot more flexibility in terms of features. The agent web interface is an AJAX application that will run well in most modern web browsers on computers with a PIII 500MHz or higher. With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. There are currently well over 400 companies using VICIDIAL in over 40 countries(unconfirmed survey results show over 700 company users, with over 17,000 seats total) and the agent interface is available in 9 languages. Hope that helps. For more info go to: http://astguiclient.sourceforge.net/vicidial.html MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:08:21AM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: The idea behind the script is to create a very simple hot-spare solution where all you have to do to replace a running machine is change the IP address of the spare server and un-tar/gz the file on a base-installed system and it will take the place of the failed machine within minutes. We haven't had to use it in production in this capacity yet, but it has worked in testing. I may have just had an even better idea, crribbing from how DSL does overlays. Put said config file on an FTP server on the cluster... named after the IP of the box, the way Bootp files are. Put innocuous files on the box as a base install, and have it prospect the FTP server on boot for an overlay. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:54:22PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. I noticed you had gone Affero. Could you expand on that decision, if you have a moment? What's the difference between the two licenses, did you consider GPLv3, and what's your situation on contributed code? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
Matt. Thanks for the reply and Link. That should get me started looking at that. Unfortunately, coming from the Nortel world. It may take some time to get up to speed on things. The hardest part (as I see it) is getting hardware/software instructions on setting up and then maybe connecting to someone elses box to play around with the integration of different sites. This looks like a good Fall/Winter project. Need to remodel the basement now. Anyway, I think that's a little off list. :) oops. It looks like there is a link on the web-page of the link that you sent, that provides a "startup from scratch! COOL! Thanks again. Eugen Matt Florell wrote: On 4/14/08, Eugen Soare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad so much has been sent about on the thread I create (bloated ego head :) ) It has gotten my curiosity up. What is VICIDIAL? Is it Public Domain? Pay for Software? What's it all about? (not looking for all the features, maybe I should put my understanding of it's functions and people can correct me.) It seems to be a software product that can handle call centers, be they in coming our out going calls. Has modules to take credit cards / and is customizable so that added functionality can be written. This is been very interesting! es Hello, VICIDIAL is call center software for Asterisk. It is designed around Asterisk, not compiled into Asterisk. VICIDIAL takes a different approach to the call center application from how Asterisk inbound Queues/Agents does it, since it uses Meetme rooms to house the agents allowing for more consistency across versions of Asterisk as well as a lot more flexibility in terms of features. The agent web interface is an AJAX application that will run well in most modern web browsers on computers with a PIII 500MHz or higher. With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. There are currently well over 400 companies using VICIDIAL in over 40 countries(unconfirmed survey results show over 700 company users, with over 17,000 seats total) and the agent interface is available in 9 languages. Hope that helps. For more info go to: http://astguiclient.sourceforge.net/vicidial.html MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On 4/14/08, Eugen Soare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt. Thanks for the reply and Link. That should get me started looking at that. Unfortunately, coming from the Nortel world. It may take some time to get up to speed on things. The hardest part (as I see it) is getting hardware/software instructions on setting up and then maybe connecting to someone elses box to play around with the integration of different sites. This looks like a good Fall/Winter project. Need to remodel the basement now. Anyway, I think that's a little off list. :) oops. It looks like there is a link on the web-page of the link that you sent, that provides a startup from scratch! COOL! Thanks again. Eugen Ah yes, my monster SCRATCH_INSTALL document :) If you run into any problems, please check out our very active VICIDIAL Forums: http://www.eflo.net/VICIDIALforum/index.php Good luck! MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:54:22PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. I noticed you had gone Affero. Could you expand on that decision, if you have a moment? What's the difference between the two licenses, did you consider GPLv3, and what's your situation on contributed code? We finally decided we would be going to AGPLv2 for our next major release due to a few hosted service providers out there that were altering the code to VICIDIAL, offering VICIDIAL hosted and not contributing their changes back to the project. And under the GPL they have every right to do this as long as the code is not installed on a client-owned machine or transferred to a client. This is known as the GPL-ASP-loophole. AGPL just closes that loophole and says that any customer of a hosted service like that has the right to the source code too. We have not done enough research on GPLv3 yet to want to move to it, and a lot of other GPLv2 projects are staying put as well for the time being. As for contributed code, we require a statement of this is my code and the project can use it and redistribute it from the author. Nothing very detailed at the moment because there are not many code contributors and the project is entirely GPL-based and is not dual-licensed. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:48:38PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: Ah yes, my monster SCRATCH_INSTALL document :) And (why the hell *not* stick my neck out :-) I'm planning some work on the wiki to merge that and the newer documentation from SVN into sort of an Administrator's Manual in the next, oh, say, month or two. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:47:12PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:54:22PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. I noticed you had gone Affero. Could you expand on that decision, if you have a moment? What's the difference between the two licenses, did you consider GPLv3, and what's your situation on contributed code? We finally decided we would be going to AGPLv2 for our next major release due to a few hosted service providers out there that were altering the code to VICIDIAL, offering VICIDIAL hosted and not contributing their changes back to the project. And under the GPL they have every right to do this as long as the code is not installed on a client-owned machine or transferred to a client. This is known as the GPL-ASP-loophole. AGPL just closes that loophole and says that any customer of a hosted service like that has the right to the source code too. Ok; that's what I *thought* Affero's change was, but it's kind of hard to tell from the actual license... Yes, we had to read it several times ourselves, the version we have in our SVN trunk is what we settled on since there are several different text formats of the AGPL license floating around. We have not done enough research on GPLv3 yet to want to move to it, and a lot of other GPLv2 projects are staying put as well for the time being. I'm not really fond of it myself. I don't know enough about it at the moment to be fond of it or not myself. As more people move to it and it's provisions are tested I will hopefully be able to move from neutral to one side or the other at some point. As for contributed code, we require a statement of this is my code and the project can use it and redistribute it from the author. Nothing very detailed at the moment because there are not many code contributors and the project is entirely GPL-based and is not dual-licensed. Yeah; I was just worried about someone getting pissy about your relicensing from GPL to AGPL. Not that I expect it or anything... :-) I am fairly surprised that I have not heard a single negative comment about it from any members of our VICIDIAL community or anywhere else. There are actually other web-based projects that are moving to it as well(which is how I originally heard about it) and since it became an official OSI-approved Open Source License along with the special provisions that GPL made allowing for AGPL compatibility, there are more people talking about it in the last few months. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 02:47:12PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:54:22PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: With VICIDIAL you can do inbound/outbound/blended call handling and there are all sorts of features for call handling and agent functions. The latest VICIDIAL release is GPLv2, but for future major releases we are moving to the AGPLv2. VICIDIAL is free as in cost and speech. I noticed you had gone Affero. Could you expand on that decision, if you have a moment? What's the difference between the two licenses, did you consider GPLv3, and what's your situation on contributed code? We finally decided we would be going to AGPLv2 for our next major release due to a few hosted service providers out there that were altering the code to VICIDIAL, offering VICIDIAL hosted and not contributing their changes back to the project. And under the GPL they have every right to do this as long as the code is not installed on a client-owned machine or transferred to a client. This is known as the GPL-ASP-loophole. AGPL just closes that loophole and says that any customer of a hosted service like that has the right to the source code too. Ok; that's what I *thought* Affero's change was, but it's kind of hard to tell from the actual license... We have not done enough research on GPLv3 yet to want to move to it, and a lot of other GPLv2 projects are staying put as well for the time being. I'm not really fond of it myself. As for contributed code, we require a statement of this is my code and the project can use it and redistribute it from the author. Nothing very detailed at the moment because there are not many code contributors and the project is entirely GPL-based and is not dual-licensed. Yeah; I was just worried about someone getting pissy about your relicensing from GPL to AGPL. Not that I expect it or anything... :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:24:02PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: As for contributed code, we require a statement of this is my code and the project can use it and redistribute it from the author. Nothing very detailed at the moment because there are not many code contributors and the project is entirely GPL-based and is not dual-licensed. Yeah; I was just worried about someone getting pissy about your relicensing from GPL to AGPL. Not that I expect it or anything... :-) I am fairly surprised that I have not heard a single negative comment about it from any members of our VICIDIAL community or anywhere else. Well, I'm not, actually... the people who *like* the GPL (that's, y'know, everyone except Trixter :-) would be more inclined to like AGPL, I would think; it merely extends the letter to better reflect the spirit -- which a lot of people think GPl3 does *not* do... There are actually other web-based projects that are moving to it as well(which is how I originally heard about it) and since it became an official OSI-approved Open Source License along with the special provisions that GPL made allowing for AGPL compatibility, there are more people talking about it in the last few months. If OSI approved it don't *they* then have the official language? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? (added, What is ViciDial??)
On 4/14/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 03:24:02PM -0400, Matt Florell wrote: As for contributed code, we require a statement of this is my code and the project can use it and redistribute it from the author. Nothing very detailed at the moment because there are not many code contributors and the project is entirely GPL-based and is not dual-licensed. Yeah; I was just worried about someone getting pissy about your relicensing from GPL to AGPL. Not that I expect it or anything... :-) I am fairly surprised that I have not heard a single negative comment about it from any members of our VICIDIAL community or anywhere else. Well, I'm not, actually... the people who *like* the GPL (that's, y'know, everyone except Trixter :-) would be more inclined to like AGPL, I would think; it merely extends the letter to better reflect the spirit -- which a lot of people think GPl3 does *not* do... There are actually other web-based projects that are moving to it as well(which is how I originally heard about it) and since it became an official OSI-approved Open Source License along with the special provisions that GPL made allowing for AGPL compatibility, there are more people talking about it in the last few months. If OSI approved it don't *they* then have the official language? Yes and no, they have the official language for AGPLv3, but not AGPLv2 which is the actual license that they first approved on March 12th. I can't find the exact version 2 draft that they approved, since it seems that they moved immediately to post version 3 on their website and just skipped version 2. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Mark Hamilton wrote: Is this 'shell script' on the public domain? As it sounds really useful. :) You're welcome to it. I'll reply with a link off-list. The script is definitely a work-in-progress and not quite ready for prime-time. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:40:44PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:45PM -0700, Eugen Soare wrote: That was cool! thanks for the pdf. I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Double-plus cool. I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. I smell a magazine article. :-) The answer to the second question is likely going to become rsync or cfengine, but I haven't gotten that far yet... and we don't change them all that much anyway. VICIdial has *lots* of knobs. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:40:44PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:45PM -0700, Eugen Soare wrote: That was cool! thanks for the pdf. I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Double-plus cool. I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. I smell a magazine article. :-) That works, but I'm impatient. I'm up for peer review before publication. The answer to the second question is likely going to become rsync or cfengine, but I haven't gotten that far yet... and we don't change them all that much anyway. VICIdial has *lots* of knobs. I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync. I currently do it with shell scripts but I'm looking for something a bit more sophisticated. Puppet (http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/AboutPuppet) was suggested during the Friday morning VOIP Users Conference. It's open source and written in Ruby. I just feel a bit silly installing yet another language just to support a support tool. The shell script approach has the advantage of light weight. I do a minimal Centos 5 install and wget a single script which does everything -- configures the network, installs packages (OpenSER, Asterisk, Zaptel, Libpri, MySQL), adds users, and configures everything from services to timezone. I may stick with it, but it's getting a bit combersome and am interested in what has worked for others. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:40:44PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote: I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. I smell a magazine article. :-) That works, but I'm impatient. I'm up for peer review before publication. The answer to the second question is likely going to become rsync or cfengine, but I haven't gotten that far yet... and we don't change them all that much anyway. VICIdial has *lots* of knobs. I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync. Why do you think that that would preclude rsync? -- /\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | Great minds discuss ideas; X against HTML mail | Average minds discuss events; / \ and postings | Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Bernd Felsche wrote:
Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm mainly interested in consistency in configuration. The method has
to be sophisticated enough to handle this box has 2 Ethernet interfaces
so I should configure OpenSER and Asterisk to listen to both IP addresses
on ports 5060 and 5061 respectively. This would preclude rsync.
Why do you think that that would preclude rsync?
Well, it may be based on my ignorance :)
Can rsync mung a stanza from iax.conf like:
[general]
disallow = all
allow = ulaw
mailboxdetail = no
notransfer = yes
port= 5036
register= ${HOSTNAME}:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
trunk = no
and insert the appropriate values?
Can rsync create /etc/sysconfig/openser like:
# Created by ./host-setup.sh on 2008-04-12 17:55:03
OPTIONS=
OPTIONS=$OPTIONS -l a.b.c.d:5060
OPTIONS=$OPTIONS -l a.b.c.e:5060
# (end of /etc/sysconfig/openser)
where a.b.c.d and a.b.c.e are the IP address of eth0 and eth1? (And the
3rd line would only be created if there are 2 interfaces.)
Thanks in advance,
Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST
Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000
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Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:45PM -0700, Eugen Soare wrote: That was cool! thanks for the pdf. I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:45PM -0700, Eugen Soare wrote: That was cool! thanks for the pdf. I'm in the midst of rearranging things (which are 2 to 3 times as large as they were then); I'll update that once I'm done. Double-plus cool. I'd be interested in sections like Rolling out a new server or How we maintain all the little configuration files without losing our sanity. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:46:48 -0700, Eugen Soare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Yes, but you should also look at an alternative that used Asterisk as a reference (www.freeswitch.org), and make an informed decision. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
I am looking at that. hmm... what to do... don't want any regrets you know! :) thanks, es Vincent wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:46:48 -0700, Eugen Soare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Yes, but you should also look at an alternative that used Asterisk as a reference (www.freeswitch.org), and make an informed decision. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On 4/10/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 05:49:26PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Please share more about this. What/How are you clustering the boxes ? Is this all VOIP or TDMF front and VOIP for agents in back ? What kind of Boxes ? What O/S What tools are you using to monitor this big-azz mother ? What, Matt? You haven't already talked about this here? :-) My new job is Matt Florell's old job, where VICIdial got started. I haven't counted the boxes lately, but I think there are 14 with quad-T cards in them, separate boxes for MySQL and Apache. Our architecture is FXS T-1 channel banks for the agent phones, usually 1 + 3 IXC spans per box, though we turned up a box a couple weeks ago with 3 channel banks, and no spans. All TDM; the only VoIP is the IAX trunks hauling load-balance calls around. And just the usual VICIdial tools, mostly, though I'm fixin to deploy either Big Sister or Nagios. Of course I have talked about it here, 3 years ago:) I even gave a presentation about it at Astricon in 2005: http://eflo.net/presentations/Astricon2005_matt_florell_PDF.pdf It is a bit dated(as are some of the servers there) but it is a good description of how that system was originally set up. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
wow! That was cool! thanks for the pdf. es Matt Florell wrote: On 4/10/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 05:49:26PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Please share more about this. What/How are you "clustering" the boxes ? Is this all VOIP or TDMF front and VOIP for agents in back ? What kind of Boxes ? What O/S What tools are you using to monitor this big-azz mother ? What, Matt? You haven't already talked about this here? :-) My new job is Matt Florell's old job, where VICIdial got started. I haven't counted the boxes lately, but I think there are 14 with quad-T cards in them, separate boxes for MySQL and Apache. Our architecture is FXS T-1 channel banks for the agent phones, usually 1 + 3 IXC spans per box, though we turned up a box a couple weeks ago with 3 channel banks, and no spans. All TDM; the only VoIP is the IAX trunks hauling load-balance calls around. And just the usual VICIdial tools, mostly, though I'm fixin to deploy either Big Sister or Nagios. Of course I have talked about it here, 3 years ago:) I even gave a presentation about it at Astricon in 2005: http://eflo.net/presentations/Astricon2005_matt_florell_PDF.pdf It is a bit dated(as are some of the servers there) but it is a good description of how that system was originally set up. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing faxes (that's possible with Asterisk, right?) and making your own cool voice mail stuff. But before I delve into it, I thought a question to the community would be in order. 2 more questions. 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? 2 - What would it take to set one up? cards / computer power / pricing on software? What has your experience been? Thank you for taking time to look at this post! Eugen ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Hi Eugene, Yes it's that good. All the functionality you posted is possible. Regarding your international calls, nothing more is required than two asterisk servers (one at each location) and a broadband connection - cards are only used to connect into pstn or isdn. Why don't you start with a preformatted iso like trixbox or druid and then jump into coding your own once you know what you are doing. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eugen Soare Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 2:47 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing faxes (that's possible with Asterisk, right?) and making your own cool voice mail stuff. But before I delve into it, I thought a question to the community would be in order. 2 more questions. 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? 2 - What would it take to set one up? cards / computer power / pricing on software? What has your experience been? Thank you for taking time to look at this post! Eugen ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Eugen Soare wrote: 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? No. There is no free lunch. It takes electricity, bandwidth, and depending on who you want to call in Germany, termination. Thanks in advance, Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thursday 10 April 2008 02:14:17 pm Steve Edwards wrote: 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? No. There is no free lunch. It takes electricity, bandwidth, and depending on who you want to call in Germany, termination. though you may want to look into DUNDi and http://asterisk.li/peeringgraf.htm there seems to be a fairly strong DUNDi network in Europe -- Anthony - http://messinet.com - http://messinet.com/~amessina/gallery 8F89 5E72 8DF0 BCF0 10BE 9967 92DC 35DC B001 4A4E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Steve Edwards wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Eugen Soare wrote: 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? No. There is no free lunch. It takes electricity, bandwidth, and depending on who you want to call in Germany, termination. Yep. And if the transport is primarily the public Internet, be very aware of how call quality can be impacted over that kind of distance / that many routing hops, depending on what path you ride to Germany. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
BTW Eugene, was just reading Tom Keatings blog (he's a pretty well known reporter around here), he was just talking about a new commercial appliance called CogoBlue that you could send to the person at the other end if they don't know anything about voip or pabx's to make it even easier for them to setup calls at their end. http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/asterisk/ispbx-launches-asterisk -appliances-with-cogoblue-asterisk-gui.asp Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: Dean Collins Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 2:51 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? Hi Eugene, Yes it's that good. All the functionality you posted is possible. Regarding your international calls, nothing more is required than two asterisk servers (one at each location) and a broadband connection - cards are only used to connect into pstn or isdn. Why don't you start with a preformatted iso like trixbox or druid and then jump into coding your own once you know what you are doing. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eugen Soare Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 2:47 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good?? So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing faxes (that's possible with Asterisk, right?) and making your own cool voice mail stuff. But before I delve into it, I thought a question to the community would be in order. 2 more questions. 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? 2 - What would it take to set one up? cards / computer power / pricing on software? What has your experience been? Thank you for taking time to look at this post! Eugen ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Remember - True TELCO grade systems simply cannot be compared to anything else. You want the reliability , uptime, and all the bells and whistles of true Carrier Grade Hardware/Software then you pay for it. If you want something you can tinker under the hood with and do some cool stuff with, Asterisk is it. BUT - by it need NORTEL PBX reliability or the power and flexibility of a big Rockwell ACD, get out your check book. The two are not the same. Eugen Soare wrote: So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Asterisk as a PBX is fantastic. It offers the features found in the most sophisticated traditional Until now the third party PBX configuration software has not had the sophistication of Asterisk product itself. Check out cogoblue.com It is a visual drag and drop configuration tool that is powerful yest simple to use. Eugen Soare wrote: So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing faxes (that's possible with Asterisk, right?) and making your own cool voice mail stuff. But before I delve into it, I thought a question to the community would be in order. 2 more questions. 1 - Can you really make free outgoing calls from let's say Portland OR, to Frankfurt Germany? 2 - What would it take to set one up? cards / computer power / pricing on software? What has your experience been? Thank you for taking time to look at this post! Eugen ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thursday 10 April 2008 15:43:33 John Signorello wrote: Asterisk as a PBX is fantastic. It offers the features found in the most sophisticated traditional Until now the third party PBX configuration software has not had the sophistication of Asterisk product itself. Check out cogoblue.com It is a visual drag and drop configuration tool that is powerful yest simple to use. Common ethics would require you to post a disclaimer that you are behind cogoblue, not a satisfied independent customer. And again, you are posting advertising on a non-commercial list. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 04:05:47PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Remember - True TELCO grade systems simply cannot be compared to anything else. You want the reliability , uptime, and all the bells and whistles of true Carrier Grade Hardware/Software then you pay for it. If you want something you can tinker under the hood with and do some cool stuff with, Asterisk is it. BUT - by it need NORTEL PBX reliability or the power and flexibility of a big Rockwell ACD, get out your check book. The two are not the same. Sure. But even commercial PBX/Hybrid stuff is often more robust than Asterisk-on-a-PC (I don't have enough anecdotes on appliances, though I expect they'd be better). Now, yes, carrier-grade equipment can be as complex and still 4-nines reliable (or 5-nines :-), but we're now talking NEBS, -48VDC, 23-inch racks, and 6-digit-plus price tags. And for what it's worth, at my new job I babysit about a 16-machine cluster running VICIdial for close to 200 agents, and by and large, it just runs. It's got about 20 T-1s feeding it. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:05 -0400, Al Baker wrote: Remember - True TELCO grade systems simply cannot be compared to anything else. You want the reliability , uptime, and all the bells and whistles of true Carrier Grade Hardware/Software then you pay for it. If you want something you can tinker under the hood with and do some cool stuff with, Asterisk is it. BUT - by it need NORTEL PBX reliability or the power and flexibility of a big Rockwell ACD, get out your check book. The two are not the same. Eugen Soare wrote: So this is just a general question, Is Asterisk really good? Reliability? Functionality? Customization's? I am coming from a Nortel world, were you pay for everything, and you can't delve into the software. But it seems that customization would be a great thing. Like, setting up a war-dialer to customer lists, incoming/outgoing I agree, though be carefull not trying to compare apples and pears.. Think i can provide some extra perspective, as i worked over 18 years for a telco manufacturer... Reliability: With original telco equipment you have hardly any choice to make with respect to reliability i mean. The differ is size and hence the costs. You don't hace voip-pbx with a mtbf of A or B. With Asterisk its your choice. You not only may choose, not you have to choose! Is it around=the-corner COTS-quality? Commercial-grade? MIL-specs? fail-over? double? quad? A large farm? Reliability has it price... Functionality Hate to say it, but do you realy know what you/your company/your customer or clients want and-or-need? What is your budget? I've been in meetings with customers for more than a year to get on paper what they realy wanted. teams of engineers can code what ever you want. At a price. Do you want to choose from existing configurations? Then your choise will be limited to what previous customers or sleepless engineers may have imagined. Ofcourse, It may lack some functionaliteis, or more likely it has some functionalities you don't want. it can be modified surely You decide: Do you want to change existing equipment, do you want to change your requirements, or do you have no objections against new equipment having an impact your department.. With asterisk, its the same as with reliability. It's your call. You can make it exactly how you want it, nothing less, nothing more. But: A) know exactly what to want for now and the near future. B) don't under estimate the time and costs Customization Same as with functionality. With existing equipment, accepts what a supplier gives you or be prepared to digg deep in your wallet. Asterisk: 100%, full stop. management summary: 1) What ever you decide to, get your requirements on paper. 2) Determine if you can find people to do the job 3) Launch a pilot-project: get to know asterisk 4) re-examine your requirements 5) evaluate your pilot-project 6) check your budget 7) either decide or back to 3) or 4) It's doesn't matter if its for you own home, small company or a large firm ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
Quote And for what it's worth, at my new job I babysit about a 16-machine cluster running VICIdial for close to 200 agents, and by and large, it just runs. It's got about 20 T-1s feeding it Please share more about this. What/How are you clustering the boxes ? Is this all VOIP or TDMF front and VOIP for agents in back ? What kind of Boxes ? What O/S What tools are you using to monitor this big-azz mother ? Thx in in advance for sharing !! Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 04:05:47PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Remember - True TELCO grade systems simply cannot be compared to anything else. You want the reliability , uptime, and all the bells and whistles of true Carrier Grade Hardware/Software then you pay for it. If you want something you can tinker under the hood with and do some cool stuff with, Asterisk is it. BUT - by it need NORTEL PBX reliability or the power and flexibility of a big Rockwell ACD, get out your check book. The two are not the same. Sure. But even commercial PBX/Hybrid stuff is often more robust than Asterisk-on-a-PC (I don't have enough anecdotes on appliances, though I expect they'd be better). Now, yes, carrier-grade equipment can be as complex and still 4-nines reliable (or 5-nines :-), but we're now talking NEBS, -48VDC, 23-inch racks, and 6-digit-plus price tags. And for what it's worth, at my new job I babysit about a 16-machine cluster running VICIdial for close to 200 agents, and by and large, it just runs. It's got about 20 T-1s feeding it. Cheers, -- jra ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Is Asterisk really good??
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 05:49:26PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Please share more about this. What/How are you clustering the boxes ? Is this all VOIP or TDMF front and VOIP for agents in back ? What kind of Boxes ? What O/S What tools are you using to monitor this big-azz mother ? What, Matt? You haven't already talked about this here? :-) My new job is Matt Florell's old job, where VICIdial got started. I haven't counted the boxes lately, but I think there are 14 with quad-T cards in them, separate boxes for MySQL and Apache. Our architecture is FXS T-1 channel banks for the agent phones, usually 1 + 3 IXC spans per box, though we turned up a box a couple weeks ago with 3 channel banks, and no spans. All TDM; the only VoIP is the IAX trunks hauling load-balance calls around. And just the usual VICIdial tools, mostly, though I'm fixin to deploy either Big Sister or Nagios. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
