Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-06 Thread Gilles
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:57:27 +, Sebastian s...@open-t.co.uk
wrote:
Sorry to keep on butting in. I've been interested in SIP on Android for 
a while now - so this just gave me more incentives to actually do the 
research :-)

No problem. I hadn't thought about using a 3G connection to register a
smartphone with Asterisk and receive calls directly that way. Thanks
for the tip.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-06 Thread Gilles
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:49:40 +0100, Administrator TOOTAI
ad...@tootai.net wrote:
As I told, the best SIP client I had is Nokias one. Fully integrated, 
working out of the box.

Thanks much for the feedback. I was mentioning OpenVPN because I
assumed 3G carriers blocked SIP, but your experience shows that they
don't necessarily do.

I'll check the Nokia E series and the latest Android phones.

Thank you.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-05 Thread Administrator TOOTAI

Le 04/01/2011 20:50, Sebastian a écrit :


Hi,

On 01/04/2011 03:24 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote:

Le 04/01/2011 11:50, Gilles a écrit :

[...]
It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.


I Would avoid OpenVPN (tested an Android) as it drains quickly battery


Any chance you could provide few more details please? Mainly which 
phone, what version of Android, and how many hours on standby when 
using OpenVPN. Also, which application were you running through 
OpenVPN and was it in constant use (the app).


Hmmh, most of all those infos were given in the original message, see 
below ;-). HTC Hero rooted with Android 2.1 VillainRom9.0.0 Sip client 
is SipDroid (tested few others but never got them connecting to our 
Asterix). OpenVPN drains battery in less then 4 hours without calling.


SipDroid is able to connect using 3G, I use it from time to time.

How I use my mobile phone:

. in the office, connected through WIFI with Asterisk server: can pass 
and receive calls, any technologie
. out of the office: incoming calls to office numbers are routed to my 
mobile number after x seconds of no answer from the office phones. My 
mobile subscription include free calls to few landlines numbers 24h/24h 
7d/7d: one of them is the office number. Calling this number give me an 
IVR from where I can enter the number I wish to call using our SIP routes.


As I told, the best SIP client I had is Nokias one. Fully integrated, 
working out of the box.




I am investigating using OpenVPN with Android - and I would find the 
above detail very useful.


Many thanks,

Sebastian



[...]

2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?

Without OpenVPN lots off, IPhone, Android, Nokia, Windows mobile, ...
Best SIP client integrated with mobile are Nokias (E series for
instance). I'm running HTC Hero (Android) with SipDroid.

[...]




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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-05 Thread Sebastian

Hi,

On 01/05/2011 10:49 AM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote:

Le 04/01/2011 20:50, Sebastian a écrit :


Hi,

On 01/04/2011 03:24 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote:

Le 04/01/2011 11:50, Gilles a écrit :

[...]
It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.


I Would avoid OpenVPN (tested an Android) as it drains quickly battery


Any chance you could provide few more details please? Mainly which
phone, what version of Android, and how many hours on standby when
using OpenVPN. Also, which application were you running through
OpenVPN and was it in constant use (the app).


Hmmh, most of all those infos were given in the original message, see
below ;-). HTC Hero rooted with Android 2.1 VillainRom9.0.0 Sip client
is SipDroid (tested few others but never got them connecting to our
Asterix). OpenVPN drains battery in less then 4 hours without calling.

SipDroid is able to connect using 3G, I use it from time to time.

How I use my mobile phone:

. in the office, connected through WIFI with Asterisk server: can pass
and receive calls, any technologie
. out of the office: incoming calls to office numbers are routed to my
mobile number after x seconds of no answer from the office phones. My
mobile subscription include free calls to few landlines numbers 24h/24h
7d/7d: one of them is the office number. Calling this number give me an
IVR from where I can enter the number I wish to call using our SIP routes.

As I told, the best SIP client I had is Nokias one. Fully integrated,
working out of the box.


Thanks very much for the above info.

Sebastian





I am investigating using OpenVPN with Android - and I would find the
above detail very useful.

Many thanks,

Sebastian



[...]

2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?

Without OpenVPN lots off, IPhone, Android, Nokia, Windows mobile, ...
Best SIP client integrated with mobile are Nokias (E series for
instance). I'm running HTC Hero (Android) with SipDroid.

[...]





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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Gilles
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:32:15 +, Sebastian s...@open-t.co.uk
wrote:
Anyway - there is a third option - which I have been using with some 
success. I connected my softphone on my laptop to my Asterisk server at 
home (through OpenVPN for extra security - but this is not compulsory). [...]
As a last alternative - a slight improvement on the above. If you can 
get a smartphone with Android - which would let you run SIP over 3G - 
you should have true free voice divert. 

Thanks Sebastian for the tip. The goal is to 1) have clients call the
usual landline number instead of asking them to try a cellphone in
case no one's home, 2) get Asterisk to handle the call, 3) have the
cellphone ring with the CID of the original caller instead of
Asterisk's.

It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.

Does someone know...
1. how reliable 3G Internet access is in Europe in cities?
2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?
3. how much juice those things need to keep those applications + 3G
connection running for hours each day?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Administrator TOOTAI

Le 03/01/2011 18:28, Gilles a écrit :

On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:27:56 +0100, Administrator TOOTAI
ad...@tootai.net  wrote:
   

As you are a Free Telecom customer, why not using your freephonie
account to forward incoming calls to your mobile?
 

Thanks for the tip, but experience shows that their SIP access sucks
(not reliable, quality NOK). That's why I got a VOSP account.
   
Don't know the meaning of VOSP but you can do it with any 
SIP/IAX/H323/... provider.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2011, Gilles wrote:
 Thanks Sebastian for the tip. The goal is to 1) have clients call the
 usual landline number instead of asking them to try a cellphone in
 case no one's home, 2) get Asterisk to handle the call, 3) have the
 cellphone ring with the CID of the original caller instead of
 Asterisk's.

The problem with doing no. 3 is, if you are routing the call over the PSTN at 
any rate, your telephone company will  (silently)  *drop* the caller ID if 
the number you are presenting does not actually belong to you.  This is 
*good* most of the time, because it means you can trust other people's caller 
ID to be accurate  (and untrustworthy caller ID makes caller ID pointless).

We first met this when we ordered our second E1 line and batch of presentation 
numbers.  As a result of a mistake on somebody's part, the two lines appeared  
(according to BT's records)  to belong to different companies.  As a result, 
approximately half our calls were going out anonymously; because if we were 
trying to go out on span 2 but using a number that was only allowed on span 
1, or vice versa, then the ident would get stripped somewhere along the way.

Diagnosing this obscure fault rather stretched the definition of fun  :/

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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Administrator TOOTAI

Le 04/01/2011 11:50, Gilles a écrit :

[...]
It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.
   


I Would avoid OpenVPN (tested an Android) as it drains quickly battery

[...]

2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?
   
Without OpenVPN lots off, IPhone, Android, Nokia, Windows mobile, ... 
Best SIP client integrated with mobile are Nokias (E series for 
instance). I'm running HTC Hero (Android) with SipDroid.


[...]

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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Sebastian

Hi,

On 01/04/2011 10:50 AM, Gilles wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:32:15 +, Sebastians...@open-t.co.uk
wrote:

Anyway - there is a third option - which I have been using with some
success. I connected my softphone on my laptop to my Asterisk server at
home (through OpenVPN for extra security - but this is not compulsory). [...]
As a last alternative - a slight improvement on the above. If you can
get a smartphone with Android - which would let you run SIP over 3G -
you should have true free voice divert.


Thanks Sebastian for the tip. The goal is to 1) have clients call the
usual landline number instead of asking them to try a cellphone in
case no one's home, 2) get Asterisk to handle the call, 3) have the
cellphone ring with the CID of the original caller instead of
Asterisk's.

It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.

Does someone know...
1. how reliable 3G Internet access is in Europe in cities?


I can only speak for the UK. In the UK - Three seems to be one of the 
best providers (in my experience). However, coverage quality varies 
throughout the country, and I have clients on O2, T-Mobile and Vodafone 
- with varying results. It is, by its very nature, a connection which 
will vary continually in bandwidth and reliability with the time and 
location.



2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?


Looking around, it seems to me that any Android phone should be able to 
have SIP clients installed. If anybody knows of any manufacturer or 
operator imposed blocks - I would love to know. One of the more popular 
SIP clients (www.sipdroid.org) doesn't seem to mention any possible 
impediments to installing it on any Android phone (1.5 and above)



3. how much juice those things need to keep those applications + 3G
connection running for hours each day?


Again, at least according to www.sipdroid.org FAQ - it seems that it 
shouldn't make any extra difference. I suppose it depends on the battery 
size. They claim a 3 days standby - but don't say which phone did they 
test it on. They also claim that a stock Asterisk talking to a SIP 
client on Android is not ideal in terms of battery life for the Android 
phone - but I really can't think why. If anybody here has some ideas - 
would be great.


One other thing to watch out for is operator imposed contractual 
restrictions. Many mobile/3G operators expressly forbid running any type 
of VoIP through their network in the contract (you can still use the 
phone + SIP over wifi, though). However, I believe that if you run it 
through OpenVPN - they shouldn't be able to tell. Again, if anybody has 
any info on this, or knows otherwise - I would love to know.


One of the openvpn implementations for Android is TunnelDroid 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/tunneldroid/). This one needs the phone 
to be rooted - so when searching for a phone - make sure it has a 
(hopefully easy) rooting procedure. I don't know if there is an openvpn 
implementation for Android which doesn't need the phone to be rooted - 
but considering you need extra kernel modules (the tun device) I would 
have thought rooting is essential.


Sorry to keep on butting in. I've been interested in SIP on Android for 
a while now - so this just gave me more incentives to actually do the 
research :-)


Sebastian




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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Sebastian



On 01/04/2011 01:55 PM, A J Stiles wrote:

On Tuesday 04 Jan 2011, Gilles wrote:

Thanks Sebastian for the tip. The goal is to 1) have clients call the
usual landline number instead of asking them to try a cellphone in
case no one's home, 2) get Asterisk to handle the call, 3) have the
cellphone ring with the CID of the original caller instead of
Asterisk's.


The problem with doing no. 3 is, if you are routing the call over the PSTN at
any rate, your telephone company will  (silently)  *drop* the caller ID if
the number you are presenting does not actually belong to you.  This is
*good* most of the time, because it means you can trust other people's caller
ID to be accurate  (and untrustworthy caller ID makes caller ID pointless).


I agree with your point. That is why routing the divert part of the call 
through an (effectively) internal SIP extension - which is the case if 
you call your laptop or Android phone through SIP as an internal 
extension to your Asterisk server (through OpenVPN as well, optionally) 
has the advantage that you can transmit/present whatever Caller ID you want.


Sebastian



We first met this when we ordered our second E1 line and batch of presentation
numbers.  As a result of a mistake on somebody's part, the two lines appeared
(according to BT's records)  to belong to different companies.  As a result,
approximately half our calls were going out anonymously; because if we were
trying to go out on span 2 but using a number that was only allowed on span
1, or vice versa, then the ident would get stripped somewhere along the way.

Diagnosing this obscure fault rather stretched the definition of fun  :/








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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread Sebastian


Hi,

On 01/04/2011 03:24 PM, Administrator TOOTAI wrote:

Le 04/01/2011 11:50, Gilles a écrit :

[...]
It looks like getting a 3G smartphone with SIP + OpenVPN + unlimited
Internet plan would solve the issue.


I Would avoid OpenVPN (tested an Android) as it drains quickly battery


Any chance you could provide few more details please? Mainly which 
phone, what version of Android, and how many hours on standby when using 
OpenVPN. Also, which application were you running through OpenVPN and 
was it in constant use (the app).


I am investigating using OpenVPN with Android - and I would find the 
above detail very useful.


Many thanks,

Sebastian



[...]

2. what smartphone supports installing an SIP + OpenVPN clients?

Without OpenVPN lots off, IPhone, Android, Nokia, Windows mobile, ...
Best SIP client integrated with mobile are Nokias (E series for
instance). I'm running HTC Hero (Android) with SipDroid.

[...]



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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-03 Thread Administrator TOOTAI

Le 01/01/2011 18:32, Gilles a écrit :

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:55:46 +0100, Administrator TOOTAI
ad...@tootai.net  wrote:
   

I wouldn't be one of your friend: when I'm calling you I call a landline
but finally will be charged for a mobile call (imagine I have free calls
to landlines from my ISP). I give you an information: in France you
don't have the right to do this unless you have it precise *before*
redirection.
 

I checked with the VOSP: Apparently, it doesn't support getting an SIP
message to forward calls on the fly, and I pay for the forwarded leg
of the call (the caller will pay his part).
   


As you are a Free Telecom customer, why not using your freephonie 
account to forward incoming calls to your mobile?


Something like in you POTS incoming context:

...
exten = 
s,n,Dial(SIP/${Phone1}SIP/{MobilePhoneConnectedWithWIFI}IAX2/${SoftPhone},21,${DIAL_OPTIONS}) 


exten = s,n,Goto(s-${DIALSTATUS},1)

exten = 
s-NOANSWER,1,Dial(SIP/freephonie/${MyMobileNumber},30,${DIAL_OPTIONS})

exten = s-NOANSWER,n,Hangup

exten = s-ANSWER,1,Hangup

exten =_s-.,1,Voicemail();other cases

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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-01 Thread Gilles
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:55:46 +0100, Administrator TOOTAI
ad...@tootai.net wrote:
I wouldn't be one of your friend: when I'm calling you I call a landline 
but finally will be charged for a mobile call (imagine I have free calls 
to landlines from my ISP). I give you an information: in France you 
don't have the right to do this unless you have it precise *before* 
redirection.

I checked with the VOSP: Apparently, it doesn't support getting an SIP
message to forward calls on the fly, and I pay for the forwarded leg
of the call (the caller will pay his part).

Thanks guys.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-01 Thread Sebastian

Hi,

On 01/01/2011 05:32 PM, Gilles wrote:

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:55:46 +0100, Administrator TOOTAI
ad...@tootai.net  wrote:

I wouldn't be one of your friend: when I'm calling you I call a landline
but finally will be charged for a mobile call (imagine I have free calls
to landlines from my ISP). I give you an information: in France you
don't have the right to do this unless you have it precise *before*
redirection.


I checked with the VOSP: Apparently, it doesn't support getting an SIP
message to forward calls on the fly, and I pay for the forwarded leg
of the call (the caller will pay his part).


I am, in a way, in a similar situation. I have a POTS/PSTN landline 
connected to my Asterisk server - and Asterisk calls my mobile when a 
call comes in down the POTS line and then bridges the calls for me. This 
is effectively home-brew/DIY call diversion. Instead of asking the phone 
company to divert the calls when I'm not home, I setup Asterisk to do 
that for me. The slight advantage in doing it myself is that I use 
another SIP provider for the outgoing leg of the call - who charges me 
far less per minute then my landline provider would charge me for their 
divert feature. They even charge an extra monthly fee for having the 
divert feature!


I take it the above is your option number one - which you are trying to 
avoid. I'm afraid your option number two doesn't really exist - as far 
as I know. First of all - as the others have pointed out, the incoming 
call has dialled a landline number - and expects to pay for a call to a 
landline number. So any diversion happening would be your responsability 
to pay for. That is of course if you don't live in USA or Canada - where 
I believe calls *to* mobiles are similarly charged as calls *to* 
landlines - and it is the receiving end who gets charged for calls to 
mobiles. So in general - sending any sort of message to phone provider 
and asking them, on the fly, to send the call to another number - 
without you being charged - is most likely impossible - and will stay 
that way.


The closest you will come to this is if you have a call divert with the 
phone company, and a package which allows free calls to a specific 
mobile phone (or free mobile minutes). I used to be with a landline 
provider - who gave me free unlimited calls from my landline to my 
mobile phone. They didn't realised that this would mean I could have 
call diverts from my landline to my mobile free as well - as effectively 
I was being charged as if my house phone would call my mobile! This 
worked for about two years - until I had to move house, and provider.


Anyway - there is a third option - which I have been using with some 
success. I connected my softphone on my laptop to my Asterisk server at 
home (through OpenVPN for extra security - but this is not compulsory). 
Sometime I keep my laptop on when out in the field at clients, with 
Internet connection running - and pick-up incoming calls on the laptop. 
This way the divert part of the call is free - as it is coming through 
the Internet to my laptop. I configured my phone divert (in Asterisk) to 
ring simultaneously my mobile and my softphone when a call comes down 
the landline. I answer on whichever one I want. I don't use Followme - I 
don't like the way it has been implemented (the line gets answered early 
- not when I answer the mobile or softphone).


As a last alternative - a slight improvement on the above. If you can 
get a smartphone with Android - which would let you run SIP over 3G - 
you should have true free voice divert. Everything would be as above - 
the main difference is that the phone (instead of the laptop) would be 
on and connected all the time - even when moving out and about - which 
with a laptop is not feasible. This would allow you to answer your calls 
through the 3G data link - and not be charged per minute. If your mobile 
phone company will let you do that (run SIP over 3G). This is where an 
OpenVPN (or any other VPN) connection again would come in handy - they 
shouldn't be able to tell you are running SIP - if it is inside VPN ;-) 
I haven't trialled this version yet - but this would be my ultimate call 
diversion setup.


Hope the above helps,

Sebastian




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[asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2010-12-29 Thread Gilles
Hello

I don't have a landine and use a VOSP to provide access to the
telephone network.

In case a call comes in and I'm not home, I'd like Asterisk to log the
call, and then send an SIP message to my VOSP so the call is forwarded
to my cellphone and is thus charged to the caller, without Asterisk
having to dial out to my cellphone through my VOSP at my expense and
bridge the two calls.

Is this possible?

Thank you.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2010-12-29 Thread Danny Nicholas
-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Gilles
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:16 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

Hello

I don't have a landine and use a VOSP to provide access to the
telephone network.

In case a call comes in and I'm not home, I'd like Asterisk to log the
call, and then send an SIP message to my VOSP so the call is forwarded
to my cellphone and is thus charged to the caller, without Asterisk
having to dial out to my cellphone through my VOSP at my expense and
bridge the two calls.

Is this possible?

Thank you.

This is how I understand your question:
I have a home phone that is not a land line that is serviced by a VOSP and
runs Asterisk.  I also have a cell phone.  Rather that using followme and
having my VOSP charge me for two or more calls, I'd like Asterisk to record
call 1 and send a SIP message to the VOSP so that the call continues or is
re-established without a second/third call being charged to Asterisk and/or
my cellphone.

My terse answer would be that you need to use the call-forwarding feature
from your VOSP so that Asterisk never answers the call when you aren't home.
In my experience, Asterisk (and this may be version dependent) isn't so good
at doing ad-hoc SIP messages.

Hopefully somebody will provide an improvement on this answer.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2010-12-29 Thread Administrator TOOTAI

Le 29/12/2010 12:16, Gilles a écrit :

[...]

In case a call comes in and I'm not home, I'd like Asterisk to log the
call, and then send an SIP message to my VOSP so the call is forwarded
to my cellphone and is thus charged to the caller, without Asterisk
having to dial out to my cellphone through my VOSP at my expense and
bridge the two calls. [...]
   


I wouldn't be one of your friend: when I'm calling you I call a landline 
but finally will be charged for a mobile call (imagine I have free calls 
to landlines from my ISP). I give you an information: in France you 
don't have the right to do this unless you have it precise *before* 
redirection.


Perhaps I misundersand you ...

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