Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 09:20:05PM +, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: I have been wondering - if you ran your SIP traffic over VPN tunnels, what would the state think of that? They obviously won't be able to inspect the data to see what is flowing through the tunnel. Do thye also restrict encrypted traffic? They can't see the data due to encryption, but they can observe packets' traffic patterns, and match them to typical usage by various protocols. Bitek ( http://www.bitek.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=74Itemid=60 ) is one company that caters to state ISPs and I've heard their technology can guess if voip is being used inside encrypted tunnels. VPNs are not allowed on residential connections, but it's not really enforced, and it does work well with voip. In any case, if an ISP can block 95% of VoIP usage, it's good enough for them. It's probably not worth the effort to block the remaining 5% tech savvy people. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:15:50PM -0400, Marc Charbonneau wrote: Didn't try them myself, but I found those 2 - http://x100p.com/products/FXS.php - http://www.atcom.cn/En_products_AG188N.html I bought an Atcom AG188N ATA recently and it supports both SIP and IAX2, has a built in router, supports g711, g729, g726, and iLBC and can be configured via a web interface, or remote provisioning. I like it much better than the Digium IAXy. Configuring the IAXy is a pain, and the fact that the server address can be specified by IP address only is particularly annoying. The included power supply was 110 volt only making it bothersome for travel usage. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Yahya Mohammad wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 09:20:05PM +, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: I have been wondering - if you ran your SIP traffic over VPN tunnels, what would the state think of that? They obviously won't be able to inspect the data to see what is flowing through the tunnel. Do thye also restrict encrypted traffic? They can't see the data due to encryption, but they can observe packets' traffic patterns, and match them to typical usage by various protocols. Bitek ( http://www.bitek.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=74Itemid=60 ) is one company that caters to state ISPs and I've heard their technology can guess if voip is being used inside encrypted tunnels. Yikes!! I just followed that link and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Big brother is finding all kind of ways to supress information flow. VPNs are not allowed on residential connections, but it's not really enforced, and it does work well with voip. In any case, if an ISP can block 95% of VoIP usage, it's good enough for them. It's probably not worth the effort to block the remaining 5% tech savvy people. Interesting... j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Yahya Mohammad wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 09:20:05PM +, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: I have been wondering - if you ran your SIP traffic over VPN tunnels, what would the state think of that? They obviously won't be able to inspect the data to see what is flowing through the tunnel. Do thye also restrict encrypted traffic? They can't see the data due to encryption, but they can observe packets' traffic patterns, and match them to typical usage by various protocols. Bitek ( http://www.bitek.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=74Itemid=60 ) is one company that caters to state ISPs and I've heard their technology can guess if voip is being used inside encrypted tunnels. Yikes!! I just followed that link and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Big brother is finding all kind of ways to supress information flow. This is hardly rocket science. If you find a stream of a steady 50 small packets per second, isn't hard to guess what the contents are. :-) VPNs are not allowed on residential connections, but it's not really enforced, and it does work well with voip. In any case, if an ISP can block 95% of VoIP usage, it's good enough for them. It's probably not worth the effort to block the remaining 5% tech savvy people. Interesting... j Steve ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: They can't see the data due to encryption, but they can observe packets' traffic patterns, and match them to typical usage by various protocols. Bitek ( http://www.bitek.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=74Itemid=60 ) is one company that caters to state ISPs and I've heard their technology can guess if voip is being used inside encrypted tunnels. Yikes!! I just followed that link and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Big brother is finding all kind of ways to supress information flow. This is hardly rocket science. If you find a stream of a steady 50 small packets per second, isn't hard to guess what the contents are. :-) Could be YouTube videos or any other kind of streaming content that is running through the tunnel. In fact the more I think about this the less I think they can be sure they know what the traffic is. Just guessing, really. And if they really could distinguish the traffic (perhaps by watching the call being setup and knowing the transactions that would be present?), it would seem just as trivial to disguise it. Its the next arms race... j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
In places where SIP won't work for some reason, I register the phone to asterisk on my laptop which then converts the SIP channel to IAX. How did you do this? Were you using Wi-Fi to talk to the laptop (which was using Wi-Fi to talk to the world?) Yes, that's how I do it. A native Symbian IAX client for the Nokia which would use Wi-Fi (or packet data connection!) would be the way forward. Ignore SIP entirely. The mobile networks don't like you running VoIP over their data streams though, however they don't seem to block it, but it is mentioned in the TC's - at least for the UK networks I've used. Yes, that would be better, but a SIP to IAX adapter on the phone would be less work. The SIP client just needs to register to localhost. No need to develop a user interface for a separate IAX client. Btw, there are other options such as Fring, which I believe uses a proprietary protocol from the cellphone to Fring servers, which is then converted to SIP, Skype, Yahoo etc. I live in the middle east, and the state run ISPs block SIP using deep packet inspection technology. Moreover mobile data packages are so expensive that it's cheaper to make a cellular call. Here's an amusing thought: My Nokia E90 has a SIP client built-in, and it doesn't support the GSM codec - only G711 and G729! I once used it via Wi-Fi when in a conference call - the call lasted 45 minutes and it nearly exhusted the battery and the phone was very hot by the end of it (I was using a headset to the phone!) Good for quick calls, not yet for daily use I reckon. I noticed no such issues on my E61i. Maybe you had a weak wifi signal and the phone ramped up its radio Tx power? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Yahya Mohammad wrote: [snip] Btw, there are other options such as Fring, which I believe uses a proprietary protocol from the cellphone to Fring servers, which is then converted to SIP, Skype, Yahoo etc. I live in the middle east, and the state run ISPs block SIP using deep packet inspection technology. Moreover mobile data packages are so expensive that it's cheaper to make a cellular call. I have been wondering - if you ran your SIP traffic over VPN tunnels, what would the state think of that? They obviously won't be able to inspect the data to see what is flowing through the tunnel. Do thye also restrict encrypted traffic? Sorry for the hijack... j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:52:51AM -0400, John Rogers wrote: Most ATAs I've seen are primarily SOC (System On Chip) implementations. I've never really taken one apart, but perhaps now is a good time. I recently also purchased a QuickPhones QA-342 wifi rechargeable handset: http://www.voipsupply.com/quickphones-qa-342-wifi-sip-phone?utm_source=quickphones-wifi-catutm_medium=banner I was curious to try this out, even though I knew it was SIP only. In the office, it works GREAT - LONG battery life, good reception, but no IAX support. A good IAX ATA and IAX protocol stack in a phone like the QA-342 would be a hands down winner all around. Immagine, being able to roam anywhere with a device like this or ATA and not having to fuss with SIP/NAT. I wish I had knowledge on building embedded devices, else I'd build my own by now... I prefer the Nokia E-series wifi enabled cell phones that have a SIP client builtin. I have an E61i and it works great in a wireless hotspot. In places where SIP won't work for some reason, I register the phone to asterisk on my laptop which then converts the SIP channel to IAX. An idea is to write SIP to IAX conversion server software for the phone itself using free libraries which I imagine should be easier that building your own embedded hardware. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Yahya Mohammad wrote: I prefer the Nokia E-series wifi enabled cell phones that have a SIP client builtin. I have an E61i and it works great in a wireless hotspot. In places where SIP won't work for some reason, I register the phone to asterisk on my laptop which then converts the SIP channel to IAX. How did you do this? Were you using Wi-Fi to talk to the laptop (which was using Wi-Fi to talk to the world?) An idea is to write SIP to IAX conversion server software for the phone itself using free libraries which I imagine should be easier that building your own embedded hardware. A native Symbian IAX client for the Nokia which would use Wi-Fi (or packet data connection!) would be the way forward. Ignore SIP entirely. The mobile networks don't like you running VoIP over their data streams though, however they don't seem to block it, but it is mentioned in the TC's - at least for the UK networks I've used. Here's an amusing thought: My Nokia E90 has a SIP client built-in, and it doesn't support the GSM codec - only G711 and G729! I once used it via Wi-Fi when in a conference call - the call lasted 45 minutes and it nearly exhusted the battery and the phone was very hot by the end of it (I was using a headset to the phone!) Good for quick calls, not yet for daily use I reckon. Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:50:34PM -0400, John Rogers wrote: I *was* using the X100P FXS ATA but they discontinued it last year in late October. Several inquiries into when they will re-release/replace it with another IAX ATA have gone unanswered. Atcom.cn is a MFG in china with no USA point of presence - I looked into them, but they don't have any resellers here in the US. I'd like to try to source something in the US if I can, that way my chances of support may be better should something go wrong. Also it doesn't appear that there is an option to buy on the atcom.cn site. It seems there are very few (if any) options for IAX ATAs and that's a sad thing, since IAX is far more scalable then SIP and much easier to get through firewalls (just forward port 4569) than SIP is. I've been very frustrated trying to make SIP work through our Monowall firewall without any success and with MUCH frustration and aggrevation! IAX is so much nicer - wish OEMs would start offering this. What would it take to make one? -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
Most ATAs I've seen are primarily SOC (System On Chip) implementations. I've never really taken one apart, but perhaps now is a good time. I recently also purchased a QuickPhones QA-342 wifi rechargeable handset: http://www.voipsupply.com/quickphones-qa-342-wifi-sip-phone?utm_source=quickphones-wifi-catutm_medium=banner I was curious to try this out, even though I knew it was SIP only. In the office, it works GREAT - LONG battery life, good reception, but no IAX support. A good IAX ATA and IAX protocol stack in a phone like the QA-342 would be a hands down winner all around. Immagine, being able to roam anywhere with a device like this or ATA and not having to fuss with SIP/NAT. I wish I had knowledge on building embedded devices, else I'd build my own by now... On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzafrir.co...@xorcom.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:50:34PM -0400, John Rogers wrote: I *was* using the X100P FXS ATA but they discontinued it last year in late October. Several inquiries into when they will re-release/replace it with another IAX ATA have gone unanswered. Atcom.cn is a MFG in china with no USA point of presence - I looked into them, but they don't have any resellers here in the US. I'd like to try to source something in the US if I can, that way my chances of support may be better should something go wrong. Also it doesn't appear that there is an option to buy on the atcom.cn site. It seems there are very few (if any) options for IAX ATAs and that's a sad thing, since IAX is far more scalable then SIP and much easier to get through firewalls (just forward port 4569) than SIP is. I've been very frustrated trying to make SIP work through our Monowall firewall without any success and with MUCH frustration and aggrevation! IAX is so much nicer - wish OEMs would start offering this. What would it take to make one? -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.comjabber%3atzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- - John Website: http://wizworks.net Blog: http://news.wizworks.net for all the latest! Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizworks Sign the petition to Apple to enable iPod support on Linux!: http://www.petitiononline.com/eb221998/petition.html ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
From: John Rogers j...@wizworks.net Subject: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Message-ID: b621c35e0904091400w434f0614p716b82d26b94d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been told by someone at Digium that they discontinued the IAXy ATA. I was buying the X100P IAX ATA for some time until even they discontinued that. I am looking for a new ATA that does IAX2 and supports the following codecs: GSM, Speex, G711 Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'd prefer to stick with IAX protocol because it is easier to use working with NAT and SIP/NAT is a pain/not possible for my setup. Desperate to find a solution! Please help. http://nuke.ip-ware.net/Default.aspx?tabid=65 http://www.cigear.com/iaxsip-ata-digium-iaxy-s101i-replacement-p-1501.html This are the only solutions I've found (but not tried myself), though without supprot for GSM and speex codecs (btw, the latter is quite hard to be found in ATAs). Ciao, Giuseppe ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
Thank you for the links! Of course if anyone else knows of other IAX ATA offerings, please *DO* share. Really looking for a good solution. I will buy one of each of these offerings to test and I'll share my findings with the group. Thanks again! On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Giuseppe Barichello bep...@freemail.itwrote: From: John Rogers j...@wizworks.net Subject: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Message-ID: b621c35e0904091400w434f0614p716b82d26b94d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been told by someone at Digium that they discontinued the IAXy ATA. I was buying the X100P IAX ATA for some time until even they discontinued that. I am looking for a new ATA that does IAX2 and supports the following codecs: GSM, Speex, G711 Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'd prefer to stick with IAX protocol because it is easier to use working with NAT and SIP/NAT is a pain/not possible for my setup. Desperate to find a solution! Please help. http://nuke.ip-ware.net/Default.aspx?tabid=65 http://www.cigear.com/iaxsip-ata-digium-iaxy-s101i-replacement-p-1501.html This are the only solutions I've found (but not tried myself), though without supprot for GSM and speex codecs (btw, the latter is quite hard to be found in ATAs). Ciao, Giuseppe ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- - John Website: http://wizworks.net Blog: http://news.wizworks.net for all the latest! Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizworks Sign the petition to Apple to enable iPod support on Linux!: http://www.petitiononline.com/eb221998/petition.html ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM, John Rogers j...@wizworks.net wrote: Thank you for the links! Of course if anyone else knows of other IAX ATA offerings, please *DO* share. Really looking for a good solution. I will buy one of each of these offerings to test and I'll share my findings with the group. Didn't try them myself, but I found those 2 - http://x100p.com/products/FXS.php - http://www.atcom.cn/En_products_AG188N.html hth ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
I *was* using the X100P FXS ATA but they discontinued it last year in late October. Several inquiries into when they will re-release/replace it with another IAX ATA have gone unanswered. Atcom.cn is a MFG in china with no USA point of presence - I looked into them, but they don't have any resellers here in the US. I'd like to try to source something in the US if I can, that way my chances of support may be better should something go wrong. Also it doesn't appear that there is an option to buy on the atcom.cn site. It seems there are very few (if any) options for IAX ATAs and that's a sad thing, since IAX is far more scalable then SIP and much easier to get through firewalls (just forward port 4569) than SIP is. I've been very frustrated trying to make SIP work through our Monowall firewall without any success and with MUCH frustration and aggrevation! IAX is so much nicer - wish OEMs would start offering this. On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Marc Charbonneau timebandit...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM, John Rogers j...@wizworks.net wrote: Thank you for the links! Of course if anyone else knows of other IAX ATA offerings, please *DO* share. Really looking for a good solution. I will buy one of each of these offerings to test and I'll share my findings with the group. Didn't try them myself, but I found those 2 - http://x100p.com/products/FXS.php - http://www.atcom.cn/En_products_AG188N.html hth ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- - John Website: http://wizworks.net Blog: http://news.wizworks.net for all the latest! Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizworks Sign the petition to Apple to enable iPod support on Linux!: http://www.petitiononline.com/eb221998/petition.html ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Looking for good IAX ATA
I've been told by someone at Digium that they discontinued the IAXy ATA. I was buying the X100P IAX ATA for some time until even they discontinued that. I am looking for a new ATA that does IAX2 and supports the following codecs: GSM, Speex, G711 Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'd prefer to stick with IAX protocol because it is easier to use working with NAT and SIP/NAT is a pain/not possible for my setup. Desperate to find a solution! Please help. -- - John Website: http://wizworks.net Blog: http://news.wizworks.net for all the latest! Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wizworks Sign the petition to Apple to enable iPod support on Linux!: http://www.petitiononline.com/eb221998/petition.html ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
