Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:52:53PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44:26PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Wilton Helm wrote: one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic inside

[asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread asterisk-users
Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards to the analog telephone handset. To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog telephone connection to my asterisk box that is 3000 meters

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Danny Nicholas
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:09 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Lyle Giese
asterisk-us...@rogg.is wrote: Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards to the analog telephone handset. To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog telephone connection

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread David Gibbons
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM To: bald...@rogg.is; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port The best a native cat5 can run is 100 meters. Unless you like paying your telco huge bucks, you

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread randulo
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few years ago and the answer was 100-200

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Steve Howes wrote: On 26 May 2009, at 16:39, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: YMMV I think thats the problem :D sorry couldn't resist.. I did kind of mean that tounge-in-cheek :):) j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Howes
On 26 May 2009, at 16:39, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: YMMV I think thats the problem :D sorry couldn't resist.. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
On Tue, 26 May 2009, randulo wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
That is a pretty long run. The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the voltage output of the ATA needs to be known Type of signaling? DTMF? pulse? Interconnection cable wire size and capacitance

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:39:46PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Miguel Molina
randulo escribió: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few years ago and

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Heath Roberts
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM, asterisk-us...@rogg.is wrote: I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards to the analog telephone handset. To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Cary Fitch
-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port That is a pretty long run. The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the voltage output of the ATA

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
Nicholas *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM *To:* bald...@rogg.is; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port The best a native cat5 can run is 100 meters. Unless you like paying your

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
Miguel Molina wrote: randulo escribió: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards to the analog telephone handset. To clarify my intention, I need to have

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Cary Fitch
Excellent analysis of the real world. Start with this, and work out the issues, or go to VOIP. Cary Fitch _ From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Wilton Helm Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:33 AM To: 'Asterisk

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
There are a lot of factors that impact this. First, CAT 5, while usable is overkill. Cat 3 (otherwise known as I/O wire) works equally well for voice grade lines. That being said, for that long a run, a heavier gauge wire would be better. I believe telcos use 18 - 22 guage (Cat 5 and Cat 3

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
Wilton Helm wrote: one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic inside it. you can vary from the 600ohm default, and tweak gains a bit. Some mix of a capacitive line or different resistance may help. never

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I could be wrong but I don't think the cat5 limit of 100 meters applies to any analog signaling over that copper. I believe it only applies to Ethernet signaling. -Dave

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
*Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I could be wrong but I don’t think the cat5 limit of 100 meters applies to any analog signaling over that copper. I believe it only applies to Ethernet signaling. -Dave

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Danny Nicholas
- Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: bald...@rogg.is Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port On Tue, 26 May 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote: The best a native cat5 can run is 100 meters. Unless you like paying your telco huge bucks, you should go for some kind

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44:26PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Wilton Helm wrote: one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic inside it. you can vary from the 600ohm default, and tweak gains a bit. Some

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Underwood
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:39:46PM +0200, randulo wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff.

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Johnson
For long distances, a wireless point-to-point might be more economical than trenching. e.g: Carlson Wideband CDMA Spread Spectrum Phone Line Extender http://www.oksolar.com/communications/phone_line_ext.htm ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of asterisk-us...@rogg.is Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:09 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 10:26 -0400, John Novack wrote: That is a pretty long run. The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the voltage output of the ATA needs to be known Type of signaling? DTMF?

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread asterisk-users
; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain antenna's. Ans a small box at the other end. Have a look at: http://www.fit-pc.net

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
Sent: 26. maí 2009 19:42 To: novacks...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain antenna's. Ans a small box at the other

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
To: novacks...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain antenna's. Ans a small box at the other end. Have a look

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain antenna's. Ans a small box at the other end. Have a look at: http://www.fit-pc.net

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 21:29 +, asterisk-us...@rogg.is wrote: Appreciate all your input folks. Much of it very helpful in the greater context of the initial question. Thank you for the suggestion of using various wireless devices, but I'm stuck with fixed wiring since this is a

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Lyle Giese
: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain antenna's. Ans a small box at the other end. Have a look at: http://www.fit-pc.net/fitpc-2-p-2.html or http://www.fit- pc.info/downloads/handleidingen

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
Jon Pounder wrote: John Novack wrote: If this is an emergency phone situation then I would question the wisdom of even considering using Asterisk. Conventional telephony solutions exist that will easily cover the loop length and provide the reliability that should be required by risk

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
[snip] You may be able to boost the battery voltage with a simple dc adapter in series to get the line build out capability you need. Just make sure its floating with respect to ground and wire it in. Don't be afraid of hurting the phone, you won't. But it is possible to hurt the ATA if it