Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
2013/2/1 Don Kelly d...@donkelly.biz -Original Message- snip What I had in mind is to use someone's cellphone as a presence detector. Let me explain: - as the first thing you take along when leaving a room or location, is your own cellphone, why not use chan_mobile and a bluetooth dongle on your on PC (as you're not supposed to be within bluetooth range from an asterisk server ;-)) to advertise you're away from your desk Being completely ignorant of Bluetooth dongles, and knowing less than I should about Asterisk, I'm happy to throw in my two-cents worth. It seems that the Asterisk server need know nothing about the Bluetooth dongle--it only cares if the user is in their office. An application can run on a pc in the office that simply decides if a device it's paired with is nearby or not. Probably want to have something that makes sure it's lost a few times over a minute or so. Then the application informs the Asterisk server (a web service?) that the individual is gone. I would expect that a single pc could keep track of several people. That said, I was thinking this was a simple Bluetooth presence detection issue, so I Googled that. One result was this: http://nerdvittles.com/?p=78 This article seems updated with http://nerdvittles.com/?p=803 I read it and still questions remain: as presence detection is done though a program (inside a proximity.zip file) - on which platform can this software be installed beside CentOS ? - is it possible to install the software on a different machine from your asterisk server ? --Don -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
On 01/02/13 09:43, Hans Witvliet wrote: -Original Message- From: Olivier oza_4...@yahoo.fr Reply-to: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:42 +0100 Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards -- _ Hi Oliver, I've been trying to do this for a while. Been using latest blackberries and oldest nokia, and a laptop with build-in and also an external BT-dongle. What i noticed, is that the presence is highly unstable. Even without walking along (kept the phone 10 cm from the BT-dongle) it kept bouncing: found-gone-found-gone Unworkable. I wanted not only presence, but speech-patch also via BT. Idea was, that if co-workers are located at the other end of the world, they can still be reached on they handy, even when no GSM-roaming is acceptable (due to costs). hw Hi Hans, As mentioned in my previous post - I've had this working for a number of years for my personal use. When I would go abroad, I would leave my cellphone/mobile phone home connected to Asterisk over bluetooth. I would say that if you're having problems staying connected - it might be the bluetooth dongle. It seems that the ones with the Cambridge Silicon chipset work best. In my case, once the phone gets connected, it stays connected. However, there is a known bug whereby Nokia phones automatically disconnect from bluetooth at the end of a call. To bypass this, I reduced the number of seconds to 5 in chan_mobile.conf - so that Asterisk tries to scan for the phone quick enough after it disconnects. I've added a note at the bottom of this page a while ago regarding this issue: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/chan_mobile At the time I also got hold of as many phones as possible and tested compatibility. I've added my results to the same page above. Sebastian -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
On 31/01/13 10:15, Olivier wrote: 2013/1/31 Sebastian Arcus s...@open-t.co.uk mailto:s...@open-t.co.uk On 31/01/13 07:25, Olivier wrote: Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards Hi Oliver, I have used chan_mobile over the years on a number of occasions with several different Nokia phones. I would say that even if in theory it might be able to work with some USB over IP software for the bluetooth dongle, it's probably not worth the hassle in practice. It's quite likely that it will create too many problems, which will probably outweigh the benefits of what you are trying to do. Bluetooth already introduces a certain delay/latency in the communication path - by adding and IP link in between, that will only get worse. Sebastian Sebastian, What I had in mind is to use someone's cellphone as a presence detector. Let me explain: - as the first thing you take along when leaving a room or location, is your own cellphone, why not use chan_mobile and a bluetooth dongle on your on PC (as you're not supposed to be within bluetooth range from an asterisk server ;-)) to advertise you're away from your desk - it seems that chan_mobile is not up to expectations for voice delivery but would it remain the same for presence detection, if may call it this way ? Thoughts ? Hi Oliver, I'm am quite certain I read a bunch of material about using phones + bluetooth for presence detection. However, any particular reason you are trying to use Asterisk in this combination? I am quite sure there is software out there (I think for Windows and Linux) for bluetooth presence detection. What advantage would Asterisk bring for this scenario? If you are trying to integrate it with Asterisk so that the phone switches to voicemail etc. - then maybe it is worth giving those usb-over-ethernet solutions a shot. After all, you are not trying to do voice over bluetooth - just detecting the mobile. I'm afraid I don't have any experience with that though. And I wonder what would the security implications be of having all those usb ports virtually connected to the server, but physically located away from the server? Sebastian -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
-Original Message- From: Olivier oza_4...@yahoo.fr Reply-to: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:42 +0100 Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards -- _ Hi Oliver, I've been trying to do this for a while. Been using latest blackberries and oldest nokia, and a laptop with build-in and also an external BT-dongle. What i noticed, is that the presence is highly unstable. Even without walking along (kept the phone 10 cm from the BT-dongle) it kept bouncing: found-gone-found-gone Unworkable. I wanted not only presence, but speech-patch also via BT. Idea was, that if co-workers are located at the other end of the world, they can still be reached on they handy, even when no GSM-roaming is acceptable (due to costs). hw -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
-Original Message- snip What I had in mind is to use someone's cellphone as a presence detector. Let me explain: - as the first thing you take along when leaving a room or location, is your own cellphone, why not use chan_mobile and a bluetooth dongle on your on PC (as you're not supposed to be within bluetooth range from an asterisk server ;-)) to advertise you're away from your desk Being completely ignorant of Bluetooth dongles, and knowing less than I should about Asterisk, I'm happy to throw in my two-cents worth. It seems that the Asterisk server need know nothing about the Bluetooth dongle--it only cares if the user is in their office. An application can run on a pc in the office that simply decides if a device it's paired with is nearby or not. Probably want to have something that makes sure it's lost a few times over a minute or so. Then the application informs the Asterisk server (a web service?) that the individual is gone. I would expect that a single pc could keep track of several people. That said, I was thinking this was a simple Bluetooth presence detection issue, so I Googled that. One result was this: http://nerdvittles.com/?p=78 --Don -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
Hi Olivier! Chan_mobile is a old project and work very poor. Search about chan_dongle and get a usb modem it really works. You can't use another machine to connect your hardware. Best regards and sorry for top-posting i'm at blackberry phone. Emiliano. Emiliano Vazquez | PcCentro S.R.L. Office: +54 (11) 4635-7764 ext. 4 Celular: 15.6253.7165 Mail: emilianovazq...@gmail.com Web: http://www.pccentro.com.ar -Original Message- From: Olivier oza_4...@yahoo.fr Sender: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:25:42 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
On 31/01/13 07:25, Olivier wrote: Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards Hi Oliver, I have used chan_mobile over the years on a number of occasions with several different Nokia phones. I would say that even if in theory it might be able to work with some USB over IP software for the bluetooth dongle, it's probably not worth the hassle in practice. It's quite likely that it will create too many problems, which will probably outweigh the benefits of what you are trying to do. Bluetooth already introduces a certain delay/latency in the communication path - by adding and IP link in between, that will only get worse. Sebastian -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
2013/1/31 Sebastian Arcus s...@open-t.co.uk On 31/01/13 07:25, Olivier wrote: Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards Hi Oliver, I have used chan_mobile over the years on a number of occasions with several different Nokia phones. I would say that even if in theory it might be able to work with some USB over IP software for the bluetooth dongle, it's probably not worth the hassle in practice. It's quite likely that it will create too many problems, which will probably outweigh the benefits of what you are trying to do. Bluetooth already introduces a certain delay/latency in the communication path - by adding and IP link in between, that will only get worse. Sebastian Sebastian, What I had in mind is to use someone's cellphone as a presence detector. Let me explain: - as the first thing you take along when leaving a room or location, is your own cellphone, why not use chan_mobile and a bluetooth dongle on your on PC (as you're not supposed to be within bluetooth range from an asterisk server ;-)) to advertise you're away from your desk - it seems that chan_mobile is not up to expectations for voice delivery but would it remain the same for presence detection, if may call it this way ? Thoughts ? -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Olivier oza_4...@yahoo.fr wrote: What I had in mind is to use someone's cellphone as a presence detector. Let me explain: - as the first thing you take along when leaving a room or location, is your own cellphone, why not use chan_mobile and a bluetooth dongle on your on PC (as you're not supposed to be within bluetooth range from an asterisk server ;-)) to advertise you're away from your desk - it seems that chan_mobile is not up to expectations for voice delivery but would it remain the same for presence detection, if may call it this way ? What you're trying to do would probably be better served by interfacing with AMI and firing an Originate command ( https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+11+ManagerAction_Originate) to trigger your dialplan and update presence state. Or use existing software to accomplish the same thing locally on the PC by updating a user's XMPP status, and have Asterisk subscribe to that. -- -Chris Harrington ACSDi Office: 763.559.5800 Mobile Phone: 612.326.4248 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] OT - Chan-mobile -Bluetooth dongle on remote LAN workstation
Hello, On a LAN, is it possible to install a bluetooth dongle on one workstation (at this time, this workstation OS is not specified) and use it with chan_mobile ? I've read some USB over IP (or Ethernet) middleware exist but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right direction. Regards -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
