Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-03 Thread Wilton Helm
The per-port regulators would be non-isolated. Probably feeding off an internal 48V bus. Yes, so that will be 90 to 95% efficient, but it is fed from an isolated supply that at best will be 90%, probably less. Those numbers must be multiplied, giving 81 to 86% overall efficiency--and I am

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Gordon Henderson
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: Bernd Felsche wrote: Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the power supplied .. which'd be at the far end of the wire. The

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Wilton Helm
A modern switched mode PSU ought to be more than 90% efficient, In theory, yes, in practice, not likely. It is harder to get high efficiency from an isolated supply than a non-isolated one. I get ads from IC manufacturers all the time about there 90 to 95% efficient solutions, but these are

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Singer XJ Wang
[snipped] You can do that by using fans other than the tiny, whiney, 40mm fans that vibrate at 6000 to 18,000 Hz. A couple of 80 or 120 mm muffin fans at the back or front, pushing air in (hence the deep dimensions), but the top and bottom would need recesses to allow sufficient airflow when the

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Steve Underwood
Singer XJ Wang wrote: [snipped] You can do that by using fans other than the tiny, whiney, 40mm fans that vibrate at 6000 to 18,000 Hz. A couple of 80 or 120 mm muffin fans at the back or front, pushing air in (hence the deep dimensions), but the top and bottom would need recesses to allow

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Wilton Helm
A number of 1U products use large impeller fans I've got a CPU in a 1U package with an impeller fan. It sounds like a jet taking off! Its not quiet. Wilton ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Singer XJ Wang
We got a few of those in 1U chassis.. if you think those are quiet... Steve Underwood wrote: Singer XJ Wang wrote: [snipped] You can do that by using fans other than the tiny, whiney, 40mm fans that vibrate at 6000 to 18,000 Hz. A couple of 80 or 120 mm muffin fans at the back or front,

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Benny Amorsen
Paul Hales pdha...@optusnet.com.au writes: My memory of a HP procurve (a 2626 PWR from memory) was that it was quite noisy - have they changed? The 2626 is either extremely noisy or fairly noisy, depending on which you happen to get. Luck of the draw; I haven't found a way to predict it. The

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Bill Michaelson
How are you getting these 80 or 120mm fans in a 1U chassis? Remember you got barely 45mm to play with at the back and front of the switch. How are you going to mount a 80mm or 120mm fan on there? Are you assuming that the units mounted above (or below) your switch is a short 1U? You can't

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Christian Victor
2009/2/2 Singer XJ Wang w...@pythian.com [snipped] You can do that by using fans other than the tiny, whiney, 40mm fans that vibrate at 6000 to 18,000 Hz. A couple of 80 or 120 mm muffin fans at the back or front, pushing air in (hence the deep dimensions), but the top and bottom would need

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Steve Underwood
Gordon Henderson wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: Bernd Felsche wrote: Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the power

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Singer XJ Wang
Honestly, how are you guys expecting a 24 Port POE to be fanless? Lets start with some logical points here: 1) 24 Ports x 15.4W/Port = 369.4Watts + Switch Power = ~400Watts... now Power Supply isn't that efficient so you're getting probably a 500Watt Power Supply (assuming 80%)... 2) with a

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Singer XJ Wang
Okay, point out one reasonably priced PoE switch that has it. Christian Victor wrote: 2009/2/2 Singer XJ Wang w...@pythian.com mailto:w...@pythian.com [snipped] You can do that by using fans other than the tiny, whiney, 40mm fans that vibrate at 6000 to 18,000

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Bernd Felsche
Steve Underwood ste...@coppice.org wrote: Gordon Henderson wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: Bernd Felsche wrote: Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Bernd Felsche
Wilton Helm wh...@compuserve.com wrote: A modern switched mode PSU ought to be more than 90% efficient, In theory, yes, in practice, not likely. It is harder to get high efficiency from an isolated supply than a non-isolated one. I get ads from IC manufacturers all the time about there 90 to

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Bernd Felsche
Singer XJ Wang w...@pythian.com wrote: Honestly, how are you guys expecting a 24 Port POE to be fanless? Lets start with some logical points here: 1) 24 Ports x 15.4W/Port = 369.4Watts + Switch Power = ~400Watts... now Power Supply isn't that efficient so you're getting probably a 500Watt

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Michael
Lets start with some logical points here: 1) 24 Ports x 15.4W/Port = 369.4Watts + Switch Power = ~400Watts... now Power Supply isn't that efficient so you're getting probably a 500Watt Power Supply (assuming 80%)... It'd still be a 400W PSU if it supplies 400W. 2) with a 1U chassis, you

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-02 Thread Paul Hales
This whole thread is getting stupid and I'd hope the people involved would desist from this O/T drivel. If you want a switch go to the shop, hand over some money and buy one... Like every one else does and they're perfectly happy with their purchase. The O.P. is not going to change the

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread OCG Technical Support
Check out the HP ProCurve Switch 2610-24-PWR -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bagnall Sent: February 1, 2009 6:58 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Chris Bagnall
I can find FANLESS 24 port PoE 10/100 That's an achievement in itself. Can you post details - I have quite a few locations where that might be useful... TIA. Regards, Chris ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Ian Cowley
, 2009 11:58 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch I can find FANLESS 24 port PoE 10/100 That's an achievement in itself. Can you post details - I have quite a few locations where that might be useful... TIA

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Olivier
2009/1/31 OCG Technical Support supp...@ocg.ca A little off topic but I need to put a 24 port Gig PoE switch into a small office – no computer room / rack etc. All CAT5 terminates near the owners desk (smart huh?). I want to put a PoE switch in place, with 24 ports and Gig speed.

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Sam Tam
Luck -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Olivier Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:06 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Wilton Helm
I guess one would have to ask whether 1000 Gb is necessary. That's a lot of bandwidth. It might make sense to use it for central distribution. There are also some that have one or two 1000 Gb ports that might be appropriate for trunking and the rest 100 Mb which is probably fast enough for

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Bernd Felsche
Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the power supplied .. which'd be at the far end of the wire. The efficiency of the PSU plays a big part in the heat dissipation. The push

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Paul Hales
...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bagnall Sent: February 1, 2009 6:58 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch I can find FANLESS 24 port PoE 10/100 That's an achievement in itself. Can you post details - I have quite a few locations

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread Steve Underwood
Bernd Felsche wrote: Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the power supplied .. which'd be at the far end of the wire. The efficiency of the PSU plays a big

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread OCG Technical Support
My google search says fanless... -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hales Sent: February 1, 2009 6:49 PM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-02-01 Thread D Tucny
2009/2/2 Steve Underwood ste...@coppice.org Bernd Felsche wrote: Ian Cowley i...@moffat.co.uk wrote: Beware PoE switches that can't handle Class 3 (15W) on all ports. Most have fans because 24 (or 48) x 15W is hot! That's the power supplied .. which'd be at the far end of the

[asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-01-31 Thread OCG Technical Support
A little off topic but I need to put a 24 port Gig PoE switch into a small office - no computer room / rack etc. All CAT5 terminates near the owners desk (smart huh?). I want to put a PoE switch in place, with 24 ports and Gig speed. Everyone I've researched so far is LOUD...

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-01-31 Thread Claus Herwig
Hello, I need to put a 24 port Gig PoE switch into a small office – no computer room / rack etc. All CAT5 terminates near the owners desk (smart huh?). I had a similar problem some days ago. 24-port GBit Switch in the middle of a classroom... I ended up with a kind of semi-loud setup: I

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-01-31 Thread Jerry Jones
You will have a hard time finding a 24 port POE without fans - too high of a power density. Do you really need 24 ports? perhaps a 12x12 otherwise multiple 8 or 12 port models may work Do let us know if you find a 24 port without fans. On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Claus Herwig wrote:

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-01-31 Thread Darrick Hartman
OCG Technical Support wrote: A little off topic but I need to put a 24 port Gig PoE switch into a small office – no computer room / rack etc. All CAT5 terminates near the owners desk (smart huh?). I want to put a PoE switch in place, with 24 ports and Gig speed. Everyone

Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch

2009-01-31 Thread OCG Technical Support
Of Darrick Hartman Sent: January 31, 2009 10:02 PM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Quiet 24 port POE gig switch Importance: High OCG Technical Support wrote: A little off topic but I need to put a 24 port Gig PoE switch into a small office - no computer room / rack