[asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. Thanks. joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Have a look at vTiger then (fork of SugarCRM). Works with latest PHP and MySQL, easy to configure and is free : http://www.vtiger.com/ hth ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Time Bandit wrote: First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Have a look at vTiger then (fork of SugarCRM). Works with latest PHP and MySQL, easy to configure and is free : http://www.vtiger.com/ This is going somewhat OT, but we have pretty much had to shelve our vtiger project due lack of maturity - support for multiple countries/languages/currencies/VAT-rates is very poor. Or at least it was last time I looked. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
I have heard of people rejecting Sugar for their existing CRM/ERP product based on VS Foxpro. I'm not a huge fan of Foxpro myself, but if the system already exist then a lot of people see little advantage in changing. On 4/30/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce Reeves Nortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
I fully understand that but the OP says the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. That is quite different from It's easier to build on the code I already have. If I had resisted growth and change over the years, I might be looking for ways to integrate FORTRAN and RPG2 with asterisk today. How about punchcards for the CDR's? Bruce Reeves wrote: I have heard of people rejecting Sugar for their existing CRM/ERP product based on VS Foxpro. I'm not a huge fan of Foxpro myself, but if the system already exist then a lot of people see little advantage in changing. On 4/30/07, *Paul* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com http://Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce Reeves Nortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Paul wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. original poster didn't say it was 'visual foxpro'. who knows, maybe this is that guy that wrote that http server in foxpro dos years ago. G as for the topic, most people tend to use what they know or *feel* will be easiest to integrate. (it is that simple) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Richard Lyman wrote: Paul wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. original poster didn't say it was 'visual foxpro'. Yes he did say that. Check the indent levels above to see OP is Joe acquisto. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Paul wrote: Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. What it *sounds* like is that's all he knows and he's too terrified (or unmotivated) to learn anything new. I have met people who are still programming in OS/360 (using an x86 emulation environment). Yes, you read that right. These people sell *software* to *customers*. There comes a time in the life of any technology when you have to take it behind the barn... -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
OT: Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Paul wrote: Richard Lyman wrote: Paul wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. original poster didn't say it was 'visual foxpro'. Yes he did say that. Check the indent levels above to see OP is Joe acquisto. yep, i somehow skipped over that part. more coffee! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Stephen Bosch wrote: Paul wrote: Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. What it *sounds* like is that's all he knows and he's too terrified (or unmotivated) to learn anything new. I have met people who are still programming in OS/360 (using an x86 emulation environment). Yes, you read that right. These people sell *software* to *customers*. There comes a time in the life of any technology when you have to take it behind the barn... Do you mean a trip to the woodshed where I apply the board of education to some technologies I started out with? I don't have any tough love for things like FORTRAN. I'll just disinherit those children. :) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: OT: Re: [asterisk-users] SugarCRM, NO!, Foxpro, SI?
Richard Lyman wrote: Paul wrote: Richard Lyman wrote: Paul wrote: Joe acquisto wrote: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 4/30/2007 8:53 AM: Joe acquisto wrote: I have dual posted this to the user and biz lists. Has anyone ever heard of someone running an Asterisk based system, yet Has abandoning SugarCRM, and opting to develop their own Visual FoxPro Has database/CRM? Please don't dump on me now, this is not my idea, I am just asking for Please comments, to see if my own initial thoughts are reasonably accurate. I'll answer it on the user list. I don't think the idea is developed enough to discuss on biz. First - vtiger is available for those who don't like the SugarCRM licensing. It's not a licensing complaint. At least that has not surfaced. It is more that the programmer does not seem to be comfortable with SugarCRM, MySQL and php. Biggest compliant about sugar is - hard to configure, does not work with latest php. Second - developing your own CRM is an ambitious undertaking. You need good reasons to go in that direction. Third - I have enough exposure to Visual FoxPro to quickly rule it out as a choice for anything new. The fact that somebody is proposing to use it might give you the idea that they don't know what they are talking about at all. BTW - my exposure to it did include things like access from linux apps using ODBC so I know enough to hate the product. It still makes me wonder why the programmer chooses Visual Foxpro. Sounds like he also rejects many other language and database options. original poster didn't say it was 'visual foxpro'. Yes he did say that. Check the indent levels above to see OP is Joe acquisto. yep, i somehow skipped over that part. more coffee! Sometimes more coffee is what makes me skip over things ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
