Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 08:41:19PM -0500, Alex Robar wrote: As if we needed more proof that XXX was XX No, we don't. I have subscribed to this mailing list to take part in Asterisk-related discssion. I have not subscribed here for Psycology 101 or amature diagnostics. This thread has stopped being relevant to this list long ago. The bunch of you artificially keep it. Not to mention posting on-list messages that were sent off-list. Feel free to continue this discussion in private mail. Not in asterisk-users . Regards, -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
I thought he was a PI in HIS job and did ast on the side. sorry for being a troll. it was a bad day and it affected me here. sorry guys - Original Message - From: Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? Do you have a list of business types that are not allowed to use VoIP? -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Of course everyone is allowed to use VoIP... Asterisk is open! I think Dovid's point was more that this guy's website says he buys and sells precious metals and other random items, his postings on this list indicate that he installs PBXes and resells VoIP services, and then his private e-mails say that he's a PI. The PI thing sounds just like him trying to get those who attacked him to back off. Alex On 12/28/06, Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? Do you have a list of business types that are not allowed to use VoIP? -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
I agree, he sent me one off list, too - making all kinds of allegations of my sexual preferences. I sent him a link to AA, DrPhil, National Institute of Mental Health and suggested he get some help. On 12/28/06, Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course everyone is allowed to use VoIP... Asterisk is open! I think Dovid's point was more that this guy's website says he buys and sells precious metals and other random items, his postings on this list indicate that he installs PBXes and resells VoIP services, and then his private e-mails say that he's a PI. The PI thing sounds just like him trying to get those who attacked him to back off. Alex On 12/28/06, Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? Do you have a list of business types that are not allowed to use VoIP? -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.comhttp://easynews.com/-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com http://easynews.com/-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
As if we needed more proof that Bochter was a screw-ball... He's now accused me of being the owner of TRXTel. Not that we needed proof he wasn't actually a PI, but in case anyone had any doubts, read the thread. Alex -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are small minded then there is you Bent Fuck you Your spoof email address is blocked Get a life and stop your scams by hiding.. use a real email address... You are a waste of my time GOOD BYE :-P Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Serviceshttp://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: If you actually wanted to give the information to people, you would have just posted it instead of ranting like a lunatic. Your real problem is that you need attention. Stop being a diva and deal with stuff like this on your own. The bottom line is that if you actually had a case, you would have just proceeded with it and dealt with this privately like any normal, decent person would have done. My gut tells me you have jack shit in terms of evidence, and you were just fired as a customer by Brent for pulling shit like this... Something I would certainly agree with him on if that's what he did. I'll bet this never moves forward and we'll never hear anything about any action you've taken. In fact, I'll bet we'll see the inverse - That TRXTel has sued you for libel for attempting to defame them in public. And FYI, I actually did answer your question, you just didn't read my response... Something quite common in your responses, it seem. Alex On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex But if you READ the posts. I replied to all OFF THE LIST So that is YOUR POINT... They posted my replys That were off the list to the list I blocked the other two jackasses on the server to stop there pointless messages. They can't send any messages to any users at any domains on my servers. The same as we are talking OFF THE LIST // The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. What you need to do is check into the PERSON (*Thats one owner*) that is around 28 years I have a list of 32 others that were scammed by bent Ask me for the links on textel no one as asked for the links.. The point is I am not going to waste any more of my time on the ones like you that don't what the information on the truth. *By the way you never answered my question Do you want to be scammed and lose your money???* New question?? What is unlimited use So your replys are pointless Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Serviceshttp://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: The POINT that you keep whining and complaining about so much, is that you're trying to bully and scare people into ceasing their posts that reflect negatively on you. The original points of your post are not what anyone is focusing on anymore - YOU moved the points away from that by insulting people. Everyone else who is off the point is simply responding to you. The issue here is not that anyone LIKES to be scammed... But that you've insulted valuable, respected members of the Asterisk community simply because of a bad experience you had. To post a complaint is one thing, to rip into someone the way you did is quite another. The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. Alex Robar On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex This is off the list. The point is that I don't like scammers. The ones that tried to attacked are some of the scammers that I am dealing with. Do you like to get scammed out of your money? And what is the point of I am a PI or not. Thats not the point of my message or the subject So if you like to get scammed then there is no point to a reply to this message. Only if you want some links to the sites where you will lose your money... ;-) Hope you have great day! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Serviceshttp://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: Of course everyone is allowed to use VoIP... Asterisk is open! I think Dovid's point was more that this guy's website says he buys and sells precious metals and other random items, his postings on this list indicate that he installs PBXes and resells VoIP services, and then his private e-mails say that he's a PI. The PI thing sounds just like him trying to get those who attacked him to back off. Alex On 12/28/06, Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? Do you have a list of business types that are not allowed to use VoIP
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Here's what he sent me after I told him to shut the up. I kind of wonder if he's just trying to generate traffic at certain sites and it's going to generate ad revenue for him in some lame scheme. Oh well: So you are one of the scammers you are dog shit Good bye you are now blocked like Steve is You are a want to be some one like Bent! Are you in bed with him? Most be I guess you two are good butt buddys :-D :-P Get a life asshole and stop trying to become a geek Your site is slow and looks link shit my dog could do better and he can't type. Get it on a real hosting and get it off your cable/DSL Internet connection You don't have the brain power. 1st graders have more than you do. If you don't want the links to scams then you can't handle the truth Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=Email On 12/28/06, Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As if we needed more proof that Bochter was a screw-ball... He's now accused me of being the owner of TRXTel. Not that we needed proof he wasn't actually a PI, but in case anyone had any doubts, read the thread. Alex -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are small minded then there is you Bent Fuck you Your spoof email address is blocked Get a life and stop your scams by hiding.. use a real email address... You are a waste of my time GOOD BYE :-P Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: If you actually wanted to give the information to people, you would have just posted it instead of ranting like a lunatic. Your real problem is that you need attention. Stop being a diva and deal with stuff like this on your own. The bottom line is that if you actually had a case, you would have just proceeded with it and dealt with this privately like any normal, decent person would have done. My gut tells me you have jack shit in terms of evidence, and you were just fired as a customer by Brent for pulling shit like this... Something I would certainly agree with him on if that's what he did. I'll bet this never moves forward and we'll never hear anything about any action you've taken. In fact, I'll bet we'll see the inverse - That TRXTel has sued you for libel for attempting to defame them in public. And FYI, I actually did answer your question, you just didn't read my response... Something quite common in your responses, it seem. Alex On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex But if you READ the posts. I replied to all OFF THE LIST So that is YOUR POINT... They posted my replys That were off the list to the list I blocked the other two jackasses on the server to stop there pointless messages. They can't send any messages to any users at any domains on my servers. The same as we are talking OFF THE LIST // The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. What you need to do is check into the PERSON (*Thats one owner*) that is around 28 years I have a list of 32 others that were scammed by bent Ask me for the links on textel no one as asked for the links.. The point is I am not going to waste any more of my time on the ones like you that don't what the information on the truth. *By the way you never answered my question Do you want to be scammed and lose your money???* New question?? What is unlimited use So your replys are pointless Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: The POINT that you keep whining and complaining about so much, is that you're trying to bully and scare people into ceasing their posts that reflect negatively on you. The original points of your post are not what anyone is focusing on anymore - YOU moved the points away from that by insulting people. Everyone else who is off the point is simply responding to you. The issue here is not that anyone LIKES to be scammed... But that you've insulted valuable, respected members of the Asterisk community simply because of a bad experience you had. To post a complaint is one thing, to rip into someone the way you did is quite another. The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. Alex Robar On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex This is off the list. The point is that I don't like scammers. The ones that tried to attacked are some of the scammers that I am dealing with. Do you like to get scammed out of your money? And what
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
I am after a long day of work, it felt realy good to laugh a bit. On 12/28/06, Tom Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what he sent me after I told him to shut the up. I kind of wonder if he's just trying to generate traffic at certain sites and it's going to generate ad revenue for him in some lame scheme. Oh well: So you are one of the scammers you are dog shit Good bye you are now blocked like Steve is You are a want to be some one like Bent! Are you in bed with him? Most be I guess you two are good butt buddys :-D :-P Get a life asshole and stop trying to become a geek Your site is slow and looks link shit my dog could do better and he can't type. Get it on a real hosting and get it off your cable/DSL Internet connection You don't have the brain power. 1st graders have more than you do. If you don't want the links to scams then you can't handle the truth Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email On 12/28/06, Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As if we needed more proof that Bochter was a screw-ball... He's now accused me of being the owner of TRXTel. Not that we needed proof he wasn't actually a PI, but in case anyone had any doubts, read the thread. Alex -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 28, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: Alex Robar [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are small minded then there is you Bent Fuck you Your spoof email address is blocked Get a life and stop your scams by hiding.. use a real email address... You are a waste of my time GOOD BYE :-P Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: If you actually wanted to give the information to people, you would have just posted it instead of ranting like a lunatic. Your real problem is that you need attention. Stop being a diva and deal with stuff like this on your own. The bottom line is that if you actually had a case, you would have just proceeded with it and dealt with this privately like any normal, decent person would have done. My gut tells me you have jack shit in terms of evidence, and you were just fired as a customer by Brent for pulling shit like this... Something I would certainly agree with him on if that's what he did. I'll bet this never moves forward and we'll never hear anything about any action you've taken. In fact, I'll bet we'll see the inverse - That TRXTel has sued you for libel for attempting to defame them in public. And FYI, I actually did answer your question, you just didn't read my response... Something quite common in your responses, it seem. Alex On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex But if you READ the posts. I replied to all OFF THE LIST So that is YOUR POINT... They posted my replys That were off the list to the list I blocked the other two jackasses on the server to stop there pointless messages. They can't send any messages to any users at any domains on my servers. The same as we are talking OFF THE LIST // The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. What you need to do is check into the PERSON (Thats one owner) that is around 28 years I have a list of 32 others that were scammed by bent Ask me for the links on textel no one as asked for the links.. The point is I am not going to waste any more of my time on the ones like you that don't what the information on the truth. By the way you never answered my question Do you want to be scammed and lose your money??? New question?? What is unlimited use So your replys are pointless Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Alex Robar wrote: The POINT that you keep whining and complaining about so much, is that you're trying to bully and scare people into ceasing their posts that reflect negatively on you. The original points of your post are not what anyone is focusing on anymore - YOU moved the points away from that by insulting people. Everyone else who is off the point is simply responding to you. The issue here is not that anyone LIKES to be scammed... But that you've insulted valuable, respected members of the Asterisk community simply because of a bad experience you had. To post a complaint is one thing, to rip into someone the way you did is quite another. The way you insulted the owners of TRXTel, not to mention the half a dozen other list members who defended them, was very childish. Alex Robar On 12/28/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex This is off the list. The point is that I don't like scammers. The ones that tried
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? - Original Message - From: C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Fwd: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Embarased like when you were caught wuth your pants down ? - Original Message - From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers Peter // I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? You are the one posting massages that are off the subject I took your replys off the list. Please keep your posts on the subject ( Thank You ) :-) Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: Oh no, the game's up - Al's found my IP address. Wait - no he hasn't - he's found an IP address that belongs to McAfee Security in Spain - with whom I have no connection at all. (Hint: whois ip address) Those PI classes really paid off, Al. Supposing you had managed to find out one of my IP addresses (which isn't really too hard, I have NIC handles at ARIN and RIPE, and hold addresses on behalf of more than one major organisation), what were you going to do with it? I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is off the list? it looks like ip: 62.189.112.129 Country GB: Britain AM I close? Anyways This is off my point! And should not be posted to the list. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: This is getting funnier by the minute. Way to go, Al. On 24/12/06, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PI that does asterisk on the side ?? WTF ?? Do you have a list of business types that are not allowed to use VoIP? -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Al. You are behving like a troll. No one like's troll's. Let it go. A lot of us have been here a lot longer than you and we know what we are doing. - Original Message - From: Al Bochter To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers You guys are missing the point of the message I sent! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Bill Hackensack wrote: Geez Al, let it go. We've heard your rants for what seems like years now (even though it's only been weeks). No one cares anymore. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-0, 12/22/2006 - 12/23/2006 9:13:10 PM -- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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And it seems likely to me that you'll be sued for libel. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
If anyone would like to read more or the links Contract me off the list And my point about that message was NOT about Bret it was all bad providers in general Do should do your homework on who you are giving you credit card info to. That was my point of The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers I am sorry that I named a provider. But let that go and get to the point of my massage The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers So yes the point, the boat, and other form.. was totally missed Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Tom Lynn wrote: And it seems likely to me that you'll be sued for libel. On 12/24/06, *Al Bochter* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com http://trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com http://Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 11:32:44 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes* And did you finish reading wherever you got that information? No, because it didn't suit your allegations. Try finishing it: Prosecution voluntarily moved to vacate the conviction Have you ever gotten a speeding ticket, or anything similar? If so, then you are a criminal as well. Maybe your end users need to know this information. I've had enough of this dirt bag troll. And PS, don't send me anymore direct emails. I didn't request them, and they look like spam to me. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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So I will try get you on my point of the message! So if you get a VoIP Provider that states on there web site that they will give you unlimited use for $7.95 per month. You start to use there service and your VoIP service stops working after 20 days and you contract the provider and the provider states that you ran over you limit for the month.. You tell the provider that you had the unlimited plan for $7.95 per month Then the provider states well unlimited is only 1500 minutes per month Now is a my point of The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers And I never named any providers and I do have a few. Definitions of *unlimited* on the Web: # having no limits in range or scope; to start with a theory of unlimited freedom is to end up with unlimited despotism- Philip Rahv; the limitless reaches of outer space # outright: without reservation or exception # inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; an inexhaustible supply of coal Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I will try get you on my point of the message! It would appear to be 'unlimited doesn't mean unlimited'. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise to someone who has been in the industry as long as you claim to have been? Move on, nothing to see here. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Peter Bowyer I understand that. But from my standing that would be a scam and a rip off And I do understand that the providers are buying minutes in bulk When the provider states unlimited then the service should be without bounds Keep in mind there other things that the VoIP Providers are doing is low down Please lets stay on my point.. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I will try get you on my point of the message! It would appear to be 'unlimited doesn't mean unlimited'. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise to someone who has been in the industry as long as you claim to have been? Move on, nothing to see here. Peter ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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This is getting funnier by the minute. Way to go, Al. On 24/12/06, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Oh no, the game's up - Al's found my IP address. Wait - no he hasn't - he's found an IP address that belongs to McAfee Security in Spain - with whom I have no connection at all. (Hint: whois ip address) Those PI classes really paid off, Al. Supposing you had managed to find out one of my IP addresses (which isn't really too hard, I have NIC handles at ARIN and RIPE, and hold addresses on behalf of more than one major organisation), what were you going to do with it? I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is off the list? it looks like ip: 62.189.112.129 Country GB: Britain AM I close? Anyways This is off my point! And should not be posted to the list. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: This is getting funnier by the minute. Way to go, Al. On 24/12/06, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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His spam to me: /I am working an a class action on trxtel I have a list of over 15 others that run time with trxtel Then there service was discounnted and there user account and usage was lost do to a server outage and crash. AND NEVER GOT PAID BY TRXTEL... 2007 is not going be a good year for trxtel. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email / Peter Bowyer wrote: Oh no, the game's up - Al's found my IP address. Wait - no he hasn't - he's found an IP address that belongs to McAfee Security in Spain - with whom I have no connection at all. (Hint: whois ip address) Those PI classes really paid off, Al. Supposing you had managed to find out one of my IP addresses (which isn't really too hard, I have NIC handles at ARIN and RIPE, and hold addresses on behalf of more than one major organisation), what were you going to do with it? I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is off the list? it looks like ip: 62.189.112.129 Country GB: Britain AM I close? Anyways This is off my point! And should not be posted to the list. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: This is getting funnier by the minute. Way to go, Al. On 24/12/06, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Peter // I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? You are the one posting massages that are off the subject I took your replys off the list. Please keep your posts on the subject ( Thank You ) :-) Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: Oh no, the game's up - Al's found my IP address. Wait - no he hasn't - he's found an IP address that belongs to McAfee Security in Spain - with whom I have no connection at all. (Hint: whois ip address) Those PI classes really paid off, Al. Supposing you had managed to find out one of my IP addresses (which isn't really too hard, I have NIC handles at ARIN and RIPE, and hold addresses on behalf of more than one major organisation), what were you going to do with it? I'm done with this. I thought we were discussing VoIP provider scams? On 24/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, This is off the list? it looks like ip: 62.189.112.129 Country GB: Britain AM I close? Anyways This is off my point! And should not be posted to the list. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Peter Bowyer wrote: This is getting funnier by the minute. Way to go, Al. On 24/12/06, C F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Find It Funny, So I Decided To Let Others Laugh As Well -- Forwarded message -- From: Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:01:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is off the list C F, You are an ass Bret is a scammer you can take that to the bank from a PI. Sorry I never stated what I do for a living. Did I? I will be dealing with Bret. And 2007 is not going to be a good year for that scammer. So why are you hiding use a real email address. And a real name. Looks like you have an in with Bret Master of Cybercrimes May have to my homework on you to. What is you think? I really don't care if you if you trust me. Your reply is only a pop out trying to save your ass. Please stay on the POINT! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email C F wrote: Al, Nobody Cares About Your Problems With Bret. Most People Here Know And Trust Bret More Than They Do You. All You Have Done So Far Is Made A Fool Out Of Yourself. At This Point All I Can Think Of Is That If Bret Does Hold Some Of Your Money That It Is A Significant Amount And He Wont Ever Give It To You. Move On And Dont Make A Bigger Fool Out Of Yourself. Swallow Your Pride Its Not Fattening. For You I Can Say: Temper Is What Gets You Into Trouble Pride Is What Keeps You There. On 12/24/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 1:41:46 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Peter Bowyer wrote: Yeah but it's good sport yanking his chain :-) On 24/12/06, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
:-) On 24/12/06, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Bowyer wrote: Yeah but it's good sport yanking his chain :-) On 24/12/06, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Please stop spamming me troll. Al Bochter wrote: Steve, I don't care is helps pass the time. When you have dumb shits like you that don't have a clue. Lets get back on the subject. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Peter Bowyer wrote: Yeah but it's good sport yanking his chain :-) On 24/12/06, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Pulled from Junk Folder Yes, I filter by your name in the body as I know it will be Junk. Thanks, Steve SYSOP wrote: Did you filtered this one to junk? Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Sorry folks, not much traffic on the list today and I want to expose this guy for what he is. Al, you are already filtered to junk, so no need for the autoresponse. Thanks, Steve Al Bochter wrote: Steve This is off the list This is off the point also :-) I am going to setup an auto reply do to dumb asses like you. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 3:46:49 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Steve Can you please stop posting messages to the list that don't have anything to do with VoIP or the subject. I took the replys to your messages Off The List (Thank You.) Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Pulled from Junk Folder Yes, I filter by your name in the body as I know it will be Junk. Thanks, Steve SYSOP wrote: Did you filtered this one to junk? Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Sorry folks, not much traffic on the list today and I want to expose this guy for what he is. Al, you are already filtered to junk, so no need for the autoresponse. Thanks, Steve Al Bochter wrote: Steve This is off the list This is off the point also :-) I am going to setup an auto reply do to dumb asses like you. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 3:46:49 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 3:57:48 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 03:56:19PM -0500, Steve Totaro wrote: Pulled from Junk Folder Yes, I filter by your name in the body as I know it will be Junk. Steve, no matter who started this, this is obviously of no interest to this list's subscribers. Public insults help noone here. Please stop posting to this thread. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Al Bochter wrote: Steve Servers are better! Your email is now blocked! Next will be the domain! And I will contract them about your email Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Pulled from Junk Folder Yes, I filter by your name in the body as I know it will be Junk. Thanks, Steve SYSOP wrote: Did you filtered this one to junk? Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: Sorry folks, not much traffic on the list today and I want to expose this guy for what he is. Al, you are already filtered to junk, so no need for the autoresponse. Thanks, Steve Al Bochter wrote: Steve This is off the list This is off the point also :-) I am going to setup an auto reply do to dumb asses like you. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email Steve Totaro wrote: What a tool. Al Bochter wrote: So you would deal with a criminal ? Bret McDanel was *Convicted Of Cybercrimes * Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Peter Bowyer wrote: On 23/12/06, Al Bochter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) You know, I'd deal with a professional like Bret a thousand times before I considered dealing with a mom-and-pop lemonade stall like you. And this kind of posting will only move you further down the list. Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-1, 12/24/2006 - 12/24/2006 3:46:49 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 03:56:19PM -0500, Steve Totaro wrote: Pulled from Junk Folder Yes, I filter by your name in the body as I know it will be Junk. Steve, no matter who started this, this is obviously of no interest to this list's subscribers. Public insults help noone here. Please stop posting to this thread. I do not agree. Certain parties may use this paper trail to file suit, others may be looking for an integrator and stumble upon this thread and make decisions based on it. This is my last post about this, but I cannot let serious attacks and allegations against good community members go unchecked. Yes it is off the topic of Asterisk-Users in such that it has nothing to do with Asterisk technically speaking, yet, it is totally on topic because this is a community made up of Asterisk-Users. Thanks, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006, Al Bochter wrote: You guys are missing the point of the message I sent! Al, While I don't disagree with some of your points, the fact is that when you post, often it DOES sound like you're trying to sell, whether you intentionally are or not. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Brian Capouch I changed the subject I don't think it was right for this message!! // Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX? Well I don't agree with you about this thread they are talking about the good and the bad VoIP providers This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) The BAD VoIP providers must try to get there servers and customer service right or they need to go way. Keep in mind list THE VOIP PROVIDERS and VOIP SUPPLIERS NEED US. SO the providers and suppliers need to get there acts together. The BAD and the SCAMMERS are giving VoIP a bad name and pushing OUR NEW PBX CUSTOMERS TO VONAGE. Is this what the list wants I DON'T THINK SO Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email Brian Capouch wrote: Folks, with all due respect: this thread is now wy off topic, as it has nothing to do with Asterisk whatsoever. Please take it offline, or to ~biz. thx. B. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 05:30:54PM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: Keep in mind list THE VOIP PROVIDERS and VOIP SUPPLIERS NEED US. SO the providers and suppliers need to get there acts together. The BAD and the SCAMMERS are giving VoIP a bad name and pushing OUR NEW PBX CUSTOMERS TO VONAGE. Is this what the list wants I DON'T THINK SO Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services And the fact that you offer a competing service naturally has nothing to do with that. So please keep your tone down and stay on-topic. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
I seriously doubt trxtel.com scams anyone. I may be wrong but the person behind it has been with this community for a long time and has done nothing post insightful and meaningful things to this list and give back to the community in many other ways as well. It is a unique idea but that is really all I know about it (the service). I fire customers all the time. I would probably fire you if you were my customer based on the way you are ranting. In these cases, the drain is not worth it personally or for the business so bye bye. Bottom line, you get what you pay for. Check out a provider, try their customer service, see if there is a toll free number, call it and see if someone picks up. Try it over and over. Use whois to see how long they have been around, ask questions, and use common sense. It is called due diligence. As for me, I use Asterisk in a very LARGE (although everything is relative) deployment but I use no VoIP providers. I terminate to a T3 (28 T1s), all PSTN ULAW. The only VoIP that we do is INSIDE ONE DATA RACK and is traditional telephony one form or another outside of that rack. /This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. /is simply not true. Expand your horizons, expand your vision. Do not automatically assume that everyone using Asterisk is using a VoIP provider. Post to the biz list where this belongs. Thanks, Steve Al Bochter wrote: Brian Capouch I changed the subject I don't think it was right for this message!! // Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX? Well I don't agree with you about this thread they are talking about the good and the bad VoIP providers This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) The BAD VoIP providers must try to get there servers and customer service right or they need to go way. Keep in mind list THE VOIP PROVIDERS and VOIP SUPPLIERS NEED US. SO the providers and suppliers need to get there acts together. The BAD and the SCAMMERS are giving VoIP a bad name and pushing OUR NEW PBX CUSTOMERS TO VONAGE. Is this what the list wants I DON'T THINK SO Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email Brian Capouch wrote: Folks, with all due respect: this thread is now wy off topic, as it has nothing to do with Asterisk whatsoever. Please take it offline, or to ~biz. thx. B. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Tzafrir Cohen, Well if you would have asked I don't aim to sell service to VoIP users. I BUY VOIP TRUNK SERVICE from VoIP Providers. I BUY VOIP DEVICES from suppliers I install Asterisk PBX Servers and point the my customers to VoIP Providers and Suppliers So the fact is I don't offer a competing service. I sell the services to the END USER. Like a supplier said to me once. I will take care of a contractor before I return a call to an End User. The End user is only one sale and alot of time. The happy contractor's are 100's of sales The other way to look at this is the contractor / installer is 100's of end users So what I stated has everything to do with that. If I point a client to a BAD VoIP provider or supplier that make me look bad. And I could lose sales So Trafrir what do you do? I looked at your site it look like you would be a VoIP SUPPLIER? So you are a supplier competing for sales from myself and others on the list? If you would make a note I changed the Subject line I started a new Topic. So I am on-topic. Bad service is a big deal so the tone should be VERY LOUD. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 05:30:54PM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: Keep in mind list THE VOIP PROVIDERS and VOIP SUPPLIERS NEED US. SO the providers and suppliers need to get there acts together. The BAD and the SCAMMERS are giving VoIP a bad name and pushing OUR NEW PBX CUSTOMERS TO VONAGE. Is this what the list wants I DON'T THINK SO Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services And the fact that you offer a competing service naturally has nothing to do with that. So please keep your tone down and stay on-topic. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Steve Totaro, I will contract you off the list about trxtel that is not my base point of this. // Bottom line, you get what you pay for. I agree. // Check out a provider, try their customer service, see if there is a toll free number, call it and see if someone picks up. You forgot word of others that used the server. // Use whois to see how long they have been around, ask questions, and use common sense. It is called due diligence. Whois.org is not going to tell you much about them. Ask questions? HM MM is that not what I am stating here?? And have others tell you how the provider was to them. Sorry you trying to shoot me down on that point. / / This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. /is simply not true. // Expand your horizons, expand your vision. Do not automatically assume that everyone using Asterisk is using a VoIP provider. So are you stating that if the provider (ANY POT or OTHERS) gave you bad service you would stay with them and not tell anyone. // Post to the biz list where this belongs. What am I trying to sell??? This is end user stuff Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email Steve Totaro wrote: I seriously doubt trxtel.com scams anyone. I may be wrong but the person behind it has been with this community for a long time and has done nothing post insightful and meaningful things to this list and give back to the community in many other ways as well. It is a unique idea but that is really all I know about it (the service). I fire customers all the time. I would probably fire you if you were my customer based on the way you are ranting. In these cases, the drain is not worth it personally or for the business so bye bye. Bottom line, you get what you pay for. Check out a provider, try their customer service, see if there is a toll free number, call it and see if someone picks up. Try it over and over. Use whois to see how long they have been around, ask questions, and use common sense. It is called due diligence. As for me, I use Asterisk in a very LARGE (although everything is relative) deployment but I use no VoIP providers. I terminate to a T3 (28 T1s), all PSTN ULAW. The only VoIP that we do is INSIDE ONE DATA RACK and is traditional telephony one form or another outside of that rack. /This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. /is simply not true. Expand your horizons, expand your vision. Do not automatically assume that everyone using Asterisk is using a VoIP provider. Post to the biz list where this belongs. Thanks, Steve Al Bochter wrote: Brian Capouch I changed the subject I don't think it was right for this message!! // Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX? Well I don't agree with you about this thread they are talking about the good and the bad VoIP providers This is information that Asterisk users MUST KNOW. We have to put the SCAMMERS like trxtel.com out of business (That don't pay there users) The BAD VoIP providers must try to get there servers and customer service right or they need to go way. Keep in mind list THE VOIP PROVIDERS and VOIP SUPPLIERS NEED US. SO the providers and suppliers need to get there acts together. The BAD and the SCAMMERS are giving VoIP a bad name and pushing OUR NEW PBX CUSTOMERS TO VONAGE. Is this what the list wants I DON'T THINK SO Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 -- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email -- Need A Toll Free Number? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email -- Need Voice Mail? http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email --For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email --BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email Brian Capouch wrote: Folks, with all due respect: this thread is now wy off topic, as it has nothing to do with Asterisk whatsoever. Please take it offline, or to ~biz. thx. B. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-0, 12/22/2006 - 12/23/2006 6:27:07 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
Geez Al, let it go. We've heard your rants for what seems like years now (even though it's only been weeks). No one cares anymore. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] The Good, Bad and Scam VoIP Providers
You guys are missing the point of the message I sent! Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250 Bill Hackensack wrote: Geez Al, let it go. We've heard your rants for what seems like years now (even though it's only been weeks). No one cares anymore. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0662-0, 12/22/2006 - 12/23/2006 9:13:10 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
