Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:39:06PM -0700, Steve Edwards wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Alex Balashov wrote:
Aside from that, is it really that big of a deal? Is it that hard
to learn a new command set and adapt?
Yes, it is.
I confess I'm a 1.2 Luddite so I have close to no experience with
the current CLI. Every time I start using a newer version I get
about 3 or 4 commands into it and then I get sucked into the vortex
of 'core or not core,' what module implements this command?, oh the
hell with it -- I'd be done by now if I used 1.2.
Why should I have to know the name of the module before I can get
help on a command?
Actually knowing the names of modules is easy: Here's what I get after
pressing 'tab' once (Asterisk 1.8)
| sweetmorn*CLI
| !ael agent agiaoccalendar
| cc cdr cel channelcliconfig
| console core dahdi data database devstate
| dialplan dnsmgr dundi event faxfeatures
| file groupgtalk hangup help http
| iax2 indication jabber jingle keys local
| logger manager meetme mfcr2 minivm mixmonitor
| module moh no odbc originate parkedcalls
| phoneprovpri queue realtime reload rtcp
| rtp say sip skinny slasqlite
| ss7 stun timing transcoder udptl ulimit
| unistim voicemail
Now the same without cli_aliases:
| sweetmorn*CLI
| !ael agentagi aoc calendar
| cc cdr cel channel cli config
| console core dahdidata database devstate
| dialplan dnsmgrdundieventfax features
| file group gtalkhttp iax2 indication
| jabber jinglekeys localloggermanager
| meetme mfcr2 minivm mixmonitor modulemoh
| no odbc parkedcalls phoneprovpri queue
| realtime rtcp rtp say sip skinny
| sla sqlitess7 stun timingtranscoder
| udptlulimitunistim voicemail
But anyqway, let's edit /etc/asterisk/cli_aliases.conf and in [general]
set 'template=asterisk12' . Applying the changes ('module reload
res_cli_asiases.so' . Shouldn't it be 'cli reload aliases'?).
Now we get (again, the following are the options suggested by a single
tab completion)
| sweetmorn*CLI
| !add ael agentagi answer
| aoc autoanswer calendar cc cdr cel
| channel clearcli config console convert
| core dahdidata database devstate dialplan
| dial dnsmgr dont dump dundievent
| extensions fax features file flashgroup
| gtalkhangup http iax2 include indication
| jabber jingle keys locallogger manager
| meetme mfcr2minivm mixmonitor module moh
| mute no odbc oss parkedcalls phoneprov
| pri queuerealtime remove rtcp rtp
| save say send set show sip
| skinny sla soft sqlite ss7 stun
| timing transcoder transfer udptlulimit unistim
| unmute voicemail
And under 'show' we have:
| sweetmorn*CLI show
| agentsagi application applications audio
| channeltype channeltypes codec codecsdialplan
| features file function functions globals
| hints image indications manager memory
| profile queue switches translation version
| video voicemail
This means that prototyping any suggested fixes is easy: just provide an
extra template for /etc/asterisk/cli_aliases.conf . No need to dwell
into the C source and touch most of the source files. This only allows
you to alias commands and not rename or change them, but it's a start.
So, if anybody has any actual constructive suggestions, please post
them. Let's not waste time with pointless flame wars.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I don't mean to be rude but honestly which genius comes up with changing the Word to the wise -- if one starts a sentence with I don't mean to be...X your true intentions are to be just that. If you find yourself doing that, please stop. Rethink what you are writing and word it in a more polite manner. You will ruffle less feathers and have a much more constructive dialog. -M -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 11-09-25 01:54 AM, Антон Квашёнкин wrote: Just use cli aliases, provided by res_clialiases.so. 2011/9/25 Bruce Bbruceb...@gmail.com Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
Paul, These trolls are the people who put your kid to school and put food on your table by giving valuable input and testing the open source software. Are you sure Digium endorses this stand of yours? Does everyone at Digium think the users who gives feedback that is not exactly what you like is a troll? WOW! I thought only rogue users try to censor this list but congratulations to Digium's own employees. Антон, Thanks. I will explore the option. -Bruce On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.comwrote: On 11-09-25 01:54 AM, Антон Квашёнкин wrote: Just use cli aliases, provided by res_clialiases.so. 2011/9/25 Bruce Bbruceb...@gmail.com Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/26/2011 01:01 AM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, These trolls are the people who put your kid to school and put food on your table by giving valuable input and testing the open source software. Are you sure Digium endorses this stand of yours? Does everyone at Digium think the users who gives feedback that is not exactly what you like is a troll? WOW! I thought only rogue users try to censor this list but congratulations to Digium's own employees. You must be new here. It is Digium's long term hostility to reasoned input that means very few of the early contributors to Asterisk still contribute today. Steve Антон, Thanks. I will explore the option. -Bruce On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.com mailto:pabelan...@digium.com wrote: On 11-09-25 01:54 AM, Антон Квашёнкин wrote: Just use cli aliases, provided by res_clialiases.so. 2011/9/25 Bruce Bbruceb...@gmail.com mailto:bruceb...@gmail.com Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 11-09-25 01:01 PM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, These trolls are the people who put your kid to school and put food on your table by giving valuable input and testing the open source software. Are you sure Digium endorses this stand of yours? Does everyone at Digium think the users who gives feedback that is not exactly what you like is a troll? WOW! I thought only rogue users try to censor this list but congratulations to Digium's own employees. Антон, Thanks. I will explore the option. If you had bothered to search or even look at the CHANGES file, located in the source directory of asterisk, you would have seen the following: * Cleanup another bunch of CLI commands. Now all modules follow the same schema. (Done by lmadsen, junky and mvanbaak during the devcon 2008) Additionally, you could have taken the time to actually find the commit that made the change, since this is open source software everything is listed online [1]. Which was done by mvanbaak, an asterisk community member, not a Digium employee. [1] http://svnview.digium.com/svn/asterisk?view=revisionrevision=145121 -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
We need explicit namespaces with asterisk CLI commands On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.com wrote: On 11-09-25 01:01 PM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, These trolls are the people who put your kid to school and put food on your table by giving valuable input and testing the open source software. Are you sure Digium endorses this stand of yours? Does everyone at Digium think the users who gives feedback that is not exactly what you like is a troll? WOW! I thought only rogue users try to censor this list but congratulations to Digium's own employees. Антон, Thanks. I will explore the option. If you had bothered to search or even look at the CHANGES file, located in the source directory of asterisk, you would have seen the following: * Cleanup another bunch of CLI commands. Now all modules follow the same schema. (Done by lmadsen, junky and mvanbaak during the devcon 2008) Additionally, you could have taken the time to actually find the commit that made the change, since this is open source software everything is listed online [1]. Which was done by mvanbaak, an asterisk community member, not a Digium employee. [1] http://svnview.digium.com/svn/asterisk?view=revisionrevision=145121 -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
Paul, LOL...you are trying to change the subject. That's naive. You clearly know that I complained that there is no need for such drastic changes and long commands. The fact that it's written in CHANGES file or if there was a commit for it doesn't make it any better. Stop with the flawed reasoning. I am not going to complement your code or policies the whole time. Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. All I am saying is that - Come up with a naming convention and for the sake of everyone stick to it. How hard could that be? Even with new features you can still stick to certain principles if you plan it ahead. If you don't know how to do it, ask the community for input and people will help. -Bruce On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.comwrote: On 11-09-25 01:01 PM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, These trolls are the people who put your kid to school and put food on your table by giving valuable input and testing the open source software. Are you sure Digium endorses this stand of yours? Does everyone at Digium think the users who gives feedback that is not exactly what you like is a troll? WOW! I thought only rogue users try to censor this list but congratulations to Digium's own employees. Антон, Thanks. I will explore the option. If you had bothered to search or even look at the CHANGES file, located in the source directory of asterisk, you would have seen the following: * Cleanup another bunch of CLI commands. Now all modules follow the same schema. (Done by lmadsen, junky and mvanbaak during the devcon 2008) Additionally, you could have taken the time to actually find the commit that made the change, since this is open source software everything is listed online [1]. Which was done by mvanbaak, an asterisk community member, not a Digium employee. [1] http://svnview.digium.com/svn/**asterisk?view=revision** revision=145121http://svnview.digium.com/svn/asterisk?view=revisionrevision=145121 -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 11-09-25 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, LOL...you are trying to change the subject. That's naive. You clearly know that I complained that there is no need for such drastic changes and long commands. The fact that it's written in CHANGES file or if there was a commit for it doesn't make it any better. Stop with the flawed reasoning. I am not going to complement your code or policies the whole time. Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. All I am saying is that - Come up with a naming convention and for the sake of everyone stick to it. How hard could that be? Even with new features you can still stick to certain principles if you plan it ahead. If you don't know how to do it, ask the community for input and people will help. -Bruce You do realize this change happen almost 3 years go, aprox Nov. 2008. There was a discussion about it at Astricon, on -dev mailing list, plus a code review on reviewboard[1]. Implying it did not happen is incorrect. You might not have know about it because your first post from bruceb...@gmail.com seems to be Apr. 2010[2]. Community feedback was provided for the change, since it was driven by the community. If you don't like the change and want it reverted, simply load res_clialiases.so and edit cli_aliases.conf. Voicing your opinions is not a problem, however starting them with 'I don't mean to be rude but...' is not the best way to start them. If you want to help shape the future of Asterisk, I encourage you to join the discussion on the asterisk-dev mailing lists. Its open source software, everybody gets a say. It doesn't mean it will get done however. [1] https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/32/ [2] http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-April/247084.html -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/25/2011 04:41 PM, Alex Balashov wrote: Sometimes people get such swelled heads they need a slap back to reality - I completely agree with him the changes were idiotic. Obviously the comments touched a nerve with you or you would not have replied. On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/25/2011 04:46 PM, jon pounder wrote: Sometimes people get such swelled heads they need a slap back to reality - I completely agree with him the changes were idiotic. Obviously the comments touched a nerve with you or you would not have replied. I don't think very highly of the changes either. However, your approach and Bruce's is not how to make the case to the developers. Aside from that, is it really that big of a deal? Is it that hard to learn a new command set and adapt? -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
jon pounder wrote: On 09/25/2011 04:41 PM, Alex Balashov wrote: Sometimes people get such swelled heads they need a slap back to reality - I completely agree with him the changes were idiotic. Obviously the comments touched a nerve with you or you would not have replied. And let's not even THINK about mentioning the version number sequence changes!!! Peg Leg O'Brien On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Dog is my Co-pilot -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
I am adding dickish to my dictionary - thats a hot one! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
You are very childish besides being very useless. Also, note that there are others that are bothered by the same changes that are uncalled for. I was as constructive as possible but you think starting a sentence with I am not trying to be rude... is rude. LOL. I have said that upfront so idiots like you don't take offence but you did and you read as, I am trying to be rude Well, suit yourself and keep sucking up Alex. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.comwrote: On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/25/2011 08:47 PM, Bruce B wrote: This is becoming just like the bacula mailing list where anyone that knows anything is beaten into submission for daring to question the great and powerful oz. You are very childish besides being very useless. Also, note that there are others that are bothered by the same changes that are uncalled for. I was as constructive as possible but you think starting a sentence with I am not trying to be rude... is rude. LOL. I have said that upfront so idiots like you don't take offence but you did and you read as, I am trying to be rude Well, suit yourself and keep sucking up Alex. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com mailto:abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: On 09/25/2011 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. You won't get an audience if the way you go about it is dickish. You're being a dick, and you know you're being a dick. You're just unwilling to admit it or intellectually engage with that. If you were earnest and sincere about your desire to contribute constructive criticism and effectuate change, you wouldn't start the thread with a sarcastic subject line like Who is the 'creative' mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI? That has a mocking, derisive inflection, and you know it has a mocking, derisive inflection. If you expect to be taken seriously, you need to align your behaviour with your stated objective--unless that's not actually your objective, and in fact your objective is to be an inflammatory jerk. -- Alex Balashov - Principal Evariste Systems LLC 260 Peachtree Street NW Suite 2200 Atlanta, GA 30303 Tel: +1-678-954-0670 tel:%2B1-678-954-0670 Fax: +1-404-961-1892 tel:%2B1-404-961-1892 Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
First of all, what the heck is this link you referenced: http://lists.digium.com/**pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-**April/247084.htmlhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-April/247084.html ?? Secondly, an Asterisk 1.6.2.18 that I am running right now plays nicely with help command. The 1.8 does do that. So, 1.6.2.18 has not been around for 3 years. Again, stop misleading and changing the subject. When you state 3 years ago that is absolutely false. In doesn't apply to any of the Asterisk versions till 1.8xx My post was very clear. Yes, it was sarcastic due to frustration but it was very clear and I wanted to say that there is no need to do core show help sip when you can simply do help sip. I still don't think your reply was called for. These trolls like I said help you live through with your attitude. If you were my employee and talked like this to anyone I would fire you right away. I am asking you nicely to please stop making this about yourself or Digium. Like I said, I like Asterisk. I love it. It works very good. Please listen to the community feedback without getting so defensive. No one gains anything from changes like this. I am sure Digium can afford one afternoon meeting to decide what the commands naming convention should be for the next 20 years. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.comwrote: On 11-09-25 02:23 PM, Bruce B wrote: Paul, LOL...you are trying to change the subject. That's naive. You clearly know that I complained that there is no need for such drastic changes and long commands. The fact that it's written in CHANGES file or if there was a commit for it doesn't make it any better. Stop with the flawed reasoning. I am not going to complement your code or policies the whole time. Stop wishing for that. I like Asterisk and I will raise a voice when I feel uncomfortable with changes. All I am saying is that - Come up with a naming convention and for the sake of everyone stick to it. How hard could that be? Even with new features you can still stick to certain principles if you plan it ahead. If you don't know how to do it, ask the community for input and people will help. -Bruce You do realize this change happen almost 3 years go, aprox Nov. 2008. There was a discussion about it at Astricon, on -dev mailing list, plus a code review on reviewboard[1]. Implying it did not happen is incorrect. You might not have know about it because your first post from bruceb...@gmail.com seems to be Apr. 2010[2]. Community feedback was provided for the change, since it was driven by the community. If you don't like the change and want it reverted, simply load res_clialiases.so and edit cli_aliases.conf. Voicing your opinions is not a problem, however starting them with 'I don't mean to be rude but...' is not the best way to start them. If you want to help shape the future of Asterisk, I encourage you to join the discussion on the asterisk-dev mailing lists. Its open source software, everybody gets a say. It doesn't mean it will get done however. [1] https://reviewboard.asterisk.**org/r/32/https://reviewboard.asterisk.org/r/32/ [2] http://lists.digium.com/**pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-** April/247084.htmlhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-April/247084.html -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 11-09-25 08:57 PM, Bruce B wrote: First of all, what the heck is this link you referenced: http://lists.digium.com/**pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-**April/247084.htmlhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-April/247084.html ?? Secondly, an Asterisk 1.6.2.18 that I am running right now plays nicely with help command. The 1.8 does do that. So, 1.6.2.18 has not been around for 3 years. Again, stop misleading and changing the subject. When you state 3 years ago that is absolutely false. In doesn't apply to any of the Asterisk versions till 1.8xx You seem to be missing the point or not reading my replies. The reason '*CLI help' still works on asterisk 1.6.2, is because of the changes made 3 years ago add res_clialiases.so. Without it, the command would actually not work. Here is a simple test you can do on your 1.6.2 / 1.8 asterisk box: *CLI module unload res_clialiases.so Unloaded res_clialiases.so *CLI help No such command 'help' (type 'core show help help' for other possible commands) As you can see, without res_clialiases.so the command does not work. So, if you are saying the '*CLI help' command does not work, then check your asterisk configuration first. My post was very clear. Yes, it was sarcastic due to frustration but it was very clear and I wanted to say that there is no need to do core show help sip when you can simply do help sip. I still don't think your reply was called for. These trolls like I said help you live through with your attitude. If you were my employee and talked like this to anyone I would fire you right away. I am asking you nicely to please stop making this about yourself or Digium. Like I said, I like Asterisk. I love it. It works very good. Please listen to the community feedback without getting so defensive. No one gains anything from changes like this. I am sure Digium can afford one afternoon meeting to decide what the commands naming convention should be for the next 20 years. I don't even know how to reply to this, so I won't. Thanks for all the fish. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
Thank you for a constructive reply. I am not a war monger and I appreciate a proper response. I will explore my options to that. My opinion may still be that such long commands are unnecessary but at least it seems there is a way to go around them for now and I am happy to hear that. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Paul Belanger pabelan...@digium.comwrote: On 11-09-25 08:57 PM, Bruce B wrote: First of all, what the heck is this link you referenced: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-** **April/247084.htmlhttp://lists.digium.com/**pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-**April/247084.html http://**lists.digium.com/pipermail/**asterisk-users/2010-April/** 247084.htmlhttp://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2010-April/247084.html ?? Secondly, an Asterisk 1.6.2.18 that I am running right now plays nicely with help command. The 1.8 does do that. So, 1.6.2.18 has not been around for 3 years. Again, stop misleading and changing the subject. When you state 3 years ago that is absolutely false. In doesn't apply to any of the Asterisk versions till 1.8xx You seem to be missing the point or not reading my replies. The reason '*CLI help' still works on asterisk 1.6.2, is because of the changes made 3 years ago add res_clialiases.so. Without it, the command would actually not work. Here is a simple test you can do on your 1.6.2 / 1.8 asterisk box: *CLI module unload res_clialiases.so Unloaded res_clialiases.so *CLI help No such command 'help' (type 'core show help help' for other possible commands) As you can see, without res_clialiases.so the command does not work. So, if you are saying the '*CLI help' command does not work, then check your asterisk configuration first. My post was very clear. Yes, it was sarcastic due to frustration but it was very clear and I wanted to say that there is no need to do core show help sip when you can simply do help sip. I still don't think your reply was called for. These trolls like I said help you live through with your attitude. If you were my employee and talked like this to anyone I would fire you right away. I am asking you nicely to please stop making this about yourself or Digium. Like I said, I like Asterisk. I love it. It works very good. Please listen to the community feedback without getting so defensive. No one gains anything from changes like this. I am sure Digium can afford one afternoon meeting to decide what the commands naming convention should be for the next 20 years. I don't even know how to reply to this, so I won't. Thanks for all the fish. -- Paul Belanger Digium, Inc. | Software Developer twitter: pabelanger | IRC: pabelanger (Freenode) Check us out at: http://digium.com http://asterisk.org -- __**__**_ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/**mailman/listinfo/asterisk-**usershttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
On 09/25/2011 04:46 PM, jon pounder wrote: Sometimes people get such swelled heads they need a slap back to reality - I completely agree with him the changes were idiotic. Obviously the comments touched a nerve with you or you would not have replied. On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Alex Balashov wrote: I don't think very highly of the changes either. However, your approach and Bruce's is not how to make the case to the developers. Bruce was a dickish troll and he was right. The Asterisk CLI was bad in 1.2 and then veered into horrible. Aside from that, is it really that big of a deal? Is it that hard to learn a new command set and adapt? Yes, it is. I confess I'm a 1.2 Luddite so I have close to no experience with the current CLI. Every time I start using a newer version I get about 3 or 4 commands into it and then I get sucked into the vortex of 'core or not core,' what module implements this command?, oh the hell with it -- I'd be done by now if I used 1.2. Why should I have to know the name of the module before I can get help on a command? Which rocket scientist decided that some perfectly reasonable commands all of a sudden have to be prefaced with 'core' for no good reason? Which module is named core? How 'intuitive' is this? How 'off-putting' is this to a new user? Why did previously maligned designer(s) decide to ignore every other reasonably* designed CLI and conclude that Asterisk's CLI must be 'different' and that obtuseness is a virtue? Overcoming the inertia to retrain my ancient fingers is one of the reasons why I have not used a newer version in any of my new installs. Yes, I could implement 'my own private Idaho' using CLI aliases but doesn't that seem like a lot of work and rather silly? I suspect I'd loose command completion in the process and I kind of like command completion. I've ranted about this before and didn't get any traction so I'll crack open another beer and be quiet now. *) 'Reasonably' is defined herein as 'as would be designed by a reasonable man**' **) 'Reasonable man' is defined herein as 'me.' -- Thanks in advance, - Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
Hi everyone, I don't mean to be rude but honestly which genius comes up with changing the simple: help to core show help That's just an example. If it was only this or if this was only a two words loss then I would be fine. I think someone just loves to play around with the commands with each and every release. 1 word turned into 3 long words for a simple simple simple help command. Good job Digium. Cheers, -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Who is the creative mind behind changing Asterisk commands at CLI?
Just use cli aliases, provided by res_clialiases.so. 2011/9/25 Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com Hi everyone, I don't mean to be rude but honestly which genius comes up with changing the simple: help to core show help That's just an example. If it was only this or if this was only a two words loss then I would be fine. I think someone just loves to play around with the commands with each and every release. 1 word turned into 3 long words for a simple simple simple help command. Good job Digium. Cheers, -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
