Re: [asterisk-users] reduce dialtone volume on zap channel.

2006-11-22 Thread Tom Rymes


On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Don Pobanz wrote:


Eric ManxPower Wieling

No, you cannot change the volume of ONLY the dialtone
on a Zap interface.


I was afraid of that.


The most common problem with the first digit being
missed by the telco is that Asterisk is trying to
dial too soon after it goes off hook.  If
it is an analog port then prefixing your number
with w or ww will help.



My issue is prior to ever sending the digits somewhere else such as  
the pstn. It is just having asterisk recognize the dtmf when I  
press a button on the phone.


Don Pobanz


Dan,

If I have followed this thread correctly, your problem is that, when  
you pick up a local analog phone connected to asterisk through a zap  
channel, asterisk generates a dialtone, and everything works fine,  
except that the echo is intolerable. Then, you install an echo  
canceller, and then asterisk cannot reliably register your DTMF  
digits when you pick up the phone and dial. In other words, your  
problem shows up when you install the echo cancellers.


Do you have the echo cans installed between your local extension and  
the zap channel? I assume so, because otherwise they should have no  
effect on your DTMF. Maybe I'm missing something, but I was always of  
the impression that echo cancellers are installed between asterisk  
and the PSTN, not between the local handset and asterisk. That way,  
the echo canceller is only in the media stream when you place a call  
out to the PSTN. I assume that you don't have echo problems calling  
from one local analog extension to another. If you do, however, I  
would suggest that maybe your problem is bigger than just a DTMF issue.


Just a thought,

Tom
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RE: [asterisk-users] reduce dialtone volume on zap channel.

2006-11-22 Thread Don Pobanz
Tom Rymes wrote: 

Dan,

If I have followed this thread correctly, your problem 
is that, when you pick up a local analog phone connected 
to asterisk through a zap channel, asterisk generates 
a dialtone, and everything works fine, except that the 
echo is intolerable. Then, you install an echo canceller, 
and then asterisk cannot reliably register your DTMF  
digits when you pick up the phone and dial. In other 
words, your problem shows up when you install the echo 
cancellers.

Yes you understand correctly. 

Do you have the echo cans installed between your local 
extension and the zap channel? I assume so, because 
otherwise they should have no effect on your DTMF. 

Yes 
analog phone (Aastra PT390)
  |
channel bank (Adtran TA750)
  |
T1 echo can (Orion Telecom) 
  |
Asterisk 1.2.13 (Dell poweredge 1750)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I was always of  
the impression that echo cancellers are installed 
between asterisk and the PSTN, not between the local 
handset and asterisk. 

I also have a T1 echo canceller between asterisk and 
the pstn. That will help with the echo for SIP phones. 

That way, the echo canceller is 
only in the media stream when you place a call  
out to the PSTN. I assume that you don't have echo 
problems calling from one local analog extension to 
another. 

I do have echo extension to extension! That is the 
issue I am trying to eliminate. 

If you do, however, I would suggest that 
maybe your problem is bigger than just a DTMF issue.

This may be bigger than DTMF. However, since this is 
in service, I need to keep it running. 

I have worked with Digium and with Orion to try and 
resolve this. Digium has ssh into the system on 4 
different occasions. Orion assures me that they have 
thousands of these same echo cancellers in service but 
have never seen the issues I am having. 

Some of the things I have done are. 
 1 - moved TE410P cards to their own interrupts
 2 - modified levels in Asterisk, echo cancellers and 
channel bank. (I have a few pages of test results.) 
I have set levels to Digium recommended levels and to 
Orion recommended levels. I have also tried a whole 
bunch of other levels. By changing levels, I can get 
better results (8% errors instead of 20 or 25%). However, 
an error rate above 2% is unacceptable.  
 3 - turned off vpm support in TE412P card
 4 - turned off frame buffer 
 5 - moved to another server (Dell 1650 poweredge) with 
different TE410P cards. 
 6 - loaded different versions of zaptel and of 
asterisk (all in the 1.2.x version)
 7 - swapped Digium cards with a spare 

Once asterisk recognizes a pressed digit, all of the rest 
of the digits are recognized. The only different for the 
first digit is the presence of dialtone. That was why 
I was trying to reduce the dialtone volume. 

Maybe this is not the correct solution. But hey, I need to 
try something! The TE412P card with echo cancellers enabled 
did not offer satisfactory results. (too much echo). 

Don Pobanz
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